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Kuznetsova #2 with 1 Title (New Haven w/ 3 ret.enroute to the title)

I love Sveta, but she needs to start maturing mentally, she lost in lots and lots of big finals already! and her record against Henin but then who could have beaten Henin these days??

I believe for this year, Jankovic should be ranked higher than her. They are at 2-2 in H2H, and Jelena won the only time they met this year. Although we need to see more matches of these 2, but Jelena is the more consistant one this year, too bad she had to face Justine Henin all the time 0-6 this year

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Re: Kuznetsova #2 with 1 Title (New Haven w/ 3 ret.enroute to the title)

Jankovic: semi, quarter, 4rth round, 4th round.
Kuznetsova: final, quarter, quarter, 4th round.

Not a lot separates them, but Kuznetsova has reached the final of a slam this past year. If it weren't for Sharapova falling apart, Venus and Serena distorting ranking and quality of player correlation, and Henin winning pretty much everything, a slam final wouldn't make you #2. BUT, since all those things have happened, Kuznetsova is there. Deal with it. Jankovic has had consistency, but I'd question whether she could have sacrificed three or four of her Tier III or IV tournaments and made more convincing efforts at the big ones. She could have been a force at Wimbledon, but her death march of European clay-and-grass caught up with her. That's her problem, not the ranking system's.
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Re: Kuznetsova #2 with 1 Title (New Haven w/ 3 ret.enroute to the title)

Jankovic, even Ivanovic, still have chances to finish this season at #2 if Sveta have bad result at Madrid... Jelena needs atleast final, and Ana only with title have chances to overtake Sveta.

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

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Re: Kuznetsova #2 with 1 Title (New Haven w/ 3 ret.enroute to the title)

Here's another little set of numbers:

W-L at Slams
Kuznetsova: 17-4
Jankovic: 15-4

W-L at Tier I
Kuznetsova: 20-7
Jankovic: 21-7

Want to know Kuznetsova's record in Tier III or lower tournaments since she won the US Open? 8-0. She doesn't need to play the lower level tournaments to grub for points; she's not interested in the ranking. She's interested in facing the best opposition. And that's why she's ranked #2: she balances consistency with quality.
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Her performances in slams this year has been stellar, failing only once to reach a QF and that was in Melbourne when she was injured. Playing well on the big stage is just as important, if not more important, than winning titles. Her ranking shows us that.
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Jankovic didn't do too hot in the GS and mandatory events this year, which is what is hurting her ranking the most.

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Her performances in slams this year has been stellar, failing only once to reach a QF and that was in Melbourne when she was injured. Playing well on the big stage is just as important, if not more important, than winning titles. Her ranking shows us that.
she didn't have to do anything stellar to reach the USO final.

And for those talking about Jankovic's performance in slams, she lost to Serena, Justine and Venus. I forgot who she lost to at Wimbledon, but IMO, she's done pretty well and just lost to great opponents.

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When will you learn that "pushers" never make it past the club level, let alone #1 on the WTA computer? Will it be too late?
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The only seeded players Kuznetsova has defeated in slams has been Peer, Kirilenko and Chakvetadze in the ugliest slam match I've seen this year. She lost to Peer in Australia, got destroyed by Ivanovic in Paris, lost to Venus in a tough match at Wimby and then got destroyed by Justine at USO.

Kuzy is one of my favorite players, but she really needs to step it up. As a fan, Im still waiting for her to catch up to the other players mentally.

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Her performances in slams this year has been stellar.
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she didn't have to do anything stellar to reach the USO final.

And for those talking about Jankovic's performance in slams, she lost to Serena, Justine and Venus. I forgot who she lost to at Wimbledon, but IMO, she's done pretty well and just lost to great opponents.
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Her performances in slams this year has been stellar, failing only once to reach a QF and that was in Melbourne when she was injured. Playing well on the big stage is just as important, if not more important, than winning titles. Her ranking shows us that.
She's had a good slam record this year thanks to easy/good draws. Her performances, however, have been anything but stellar.

*No Top 20 wins in Melbourne
*One Top 20 win in Paris against #17
*No Top 20 wins in London
*One Top 20 win in New York against #6 (Worst slam semifinal ever)

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Thanks, can't believe I forgot. She was in Henin's half again.

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You cannot be serious.
Perhaps I should change the wording to convey my meaning: Her results at the slams this year have been stellar. A slam final >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a slam semi in terms of points.
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I love how you can call Kuzy's slam results "stellar" but slag Maria at every chance you get when Sharapova has had nearly the same, if not better slam results this year.
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Re: Kuznetsova #2 with 1 Title (New Haven w/ 3 ret.enroute to the title)

This isn't a thread about Sharapova.

4R, QF, QF, RUP is a great year at the slams, irrespective of the quality of the matches/opponents played (ranking no longer takes that into account)
RUP, SF, 4R, 3R is damn good too. Never said it wasn't.
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