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Question How do you differentiate "Not Trying / Tanking" from "Tiredness / Out of Steam"?

After reading what happened during Davydenko - Cilic match today (link: http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25102007/58/atp-tour-davydenko-warned-trying.html), I was wondering how do you know whether a WTA player is "out of steam" or "tanking / not trying" when they lose a match. And are there any matches in the past which shows that? Thanks

(P.S: What happened in Davy's match - The Russian played near flawless tennis in the first set but then started making numerous errors and committed 10 double-faults in the last two sets. He was then warned by Belgian umpire Jean-Philippe Dercq in the final set for tanking. And yes, he did cry in the end).

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Re: How do you differentiate "Not Trying / Tanking" from "Tiredness / Out of Steam"?

It's so subjective it's practically meaningless.
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Re: How do you differentiate "Not Trying / Tanking" from "Tiredness / Out of Steam"?

If this thread turns into an atp discussion it'll be closed but the subject is really interesting.
And I agree it's quite subjective.

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Re: How do you differentiate "Not Trying / Tanking" from "Tiredness / Out of Steam"?

Kolya is a cheat and should be banned from the sport.
Sorry, doesn't really answer the question of this thread but I had to get it in there.
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Re: How do you differentiate "Not Trying / Tanking" from "Tiredness / Out of Steam"?

Amelie gets tired (hey, she's been struggling with injuries)

Whoever you're cheering for? She tanks.

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Amelie gets tired (hey, she's been struggling with injuries)

Whoever you're cheering for? She tanks.
you talk like there is no hope left for her







but unfortunately, when it comes to taking, you're right

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Re: How do you differentiate "Not Trying / Tanking" from "Tiredness / Out of Steam"?

Davydenko really can't get a break lately.

But it really is just how you look at a match. I'd like to view today's trashing as a terrific domination by the Swiss #1, for example.
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Re: How do you differentiate "Not Trying / Tanking" from "Tiredness / Out of Steam"?

Seems like there is more concern among ATP players than WTA players and tales and rumors about men tanking matches have been around for at least 20 to 30 years. Sampras once said he beat some player "6-2, tank and tank."

Among women, it seems to me walking around listlessly would be a dead give away, but since there are so man EU's in women's matches, it would be a lot easier for a woman player to just spray a few more balls than normal if you wanted to tank a match.

I don;t think there is much of that, though. The one thing that is for certaiin is that once gambling gets involved, the gamblers are going to try eventually to find a way to fix matches. It happened in baseball and basketball and probably in tennis, too.

FYI, there were rumors that Bobby Riggs, a notorious gambler and hustler, tanked the match against BJ King, because he had money down on her through dummy betters.
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Re: How do you differentiate "Not Trying / Tanking" from "Tiredness / Out of Steam"?

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Kolya is a cheat and should be banned from the sport.
Sorry, doesn't really answer the question of this thread but I had to get it in there.


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Re: How do you differentiate "Not Trying / Tanking" from "Tiredness / Out of Steam"?

Maleeva - Jankovic Paris few years back 6-4 6-0.....she should have been punished for not trying!

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