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post #1 of 34 (permalink) Old Jul 19th, 2002, 12:34 PM Thread Starter
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Is it a WILLIAMS Domination or..............

is it just a william domination. People have gone on about how its both the sisters that have dominated but i think the truth is Serena is the only one really dominating at the moment. Venus hasnt has been losing to players she normally beats (seles,Clijsters,testud), and has no answer to serena's game at all, she has lost the last 3 times they played in straight sets.

It seems that just because they are sisters we should talk about them as a couple, but when yu look at there record this year and seen the players they have beat and lost to only serena's record looks impressive to me. If martina, lindsay,monica or jennifer (etc) lose a number of times in a row to each other or to the williams the williams are 'dominating' them, but if venus loses to serena 3 times in a row they are still on equal level??
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oops made a mistake, take away the 'hasnt' from the 3rd line down after venus :-)

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Bezza, exactly my sentiments

In another thread after Wimby I made a comment that this was Serena domination and that in truth Venus's past 52 weeks bears much more resemblance to Jenn's than to her sisters. Of course, I had my head promptly bitten off. People have to stop looking at them as a pair. Serena is dominating at the moment, and like all the others Venus is being domainated by her at the moment. And before someone says Venus reached two slam finals blah blah well arantxa reached 4 GS finals in six grandlams in 95/96, (losing them all to steffi). No one said it was Steffi/ASV domination and rightfully so. It was just steffi domination. Just like it is Serena domination now.
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i dont know what to say, but ill say this, when serena had her mental problems last year, venus didn't say "i have a sister, what sister?"

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On the other hand, Venus has won the most matches on the tour so far this year, and she has won 4 out of the last 9 slams. And she has only lost to three players not named Serena this year -- which if not total domination is pretty darn good (and better than any other player on the tour besides SW)

However, your point is interesting.
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Well lets see what is going to happen in the next 8 weeks. You do know the Sisters will be playing at least 8 weeks straight right? Lets see what occurs. Probably what has occurred for the last 2 years. 6 Grandslams, numerous tier I's and II's. Call it banana if you want but impressive none the less.

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Geesh, will it ever stop?
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I think the USOpen will provide an answer to that.

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oops Bezza, you did it again, you are making it sound like Venus "has been loosing to players she normally beats" as if she has consistently lost to them. Monica, injured, Testud Injured, and please someone don't come in here and tell me that she wasn't cuz if you were at the match like I was, you would notice that she was injured, and not moving well, and also when you have the players, Monica, and Testud, state that "she was a little injured" what does that tell u? Anyway, and against Clijsters, she was making too many errors, Venus has not been beaten by these players, she has beaten herself. If you look at the Scorelines, againt Clijsters, Testud, and Monica, when she was playing well and healthy she easily won the sets, 6-1, 6-1, 6-2 for monica I belive. So really don't pull none of that BS with me that she has been lossing to players she never lost to. Also you are putting down the players she lost to by saying this. These are good players. Venus was injured in one, got injured during the testud match, and with Clijsters, she won the first set easily, and Like Clijsters said, all she could do was hope venus started to make errors, and she did, and that is what really won the match fo her. I would say that Serena is dominating the tour right now this year. But for the past couple of years. It has been all Venus Williams, with lil sis right behind. The past couple of months its been the other way around!
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also, i think when you are talking about "domination" you should be thinking about what happend during the year. Serena could very well dominate the Clay court season and wimbledon, but when the hardcourt season starts, Venus has more tournies on her schedule before the US Open, so if they both when all their tourneis, Venus would be considered the one that dominated the hardcourts, and then if Venus wins the US Open, personally I think they would be tied. I only say this b/c Serena didn't play at the beginning of the year. And venus one all her titles so far at the beginning. Last year Venus one the Nasdaq at the beginning of the year, and then after that is was Wimbled, 3 other tournies and the US Open. Lets just wait till the US Open ends to determine who has been doing the dominating. Right now from the clay court season to the end of wimbledon it was Serena. And at the beginning of the year it was Venus. Also one thing you should know, is that Venus has been playing more that Serena, and she has stayed consistent in her showings. I I think the quarters is at the Australian is her worst performance so far this year in her tournies. She has played so much. I give her all the credit. I think she is a little tired. But hey, everyone can't win everything.
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Is it like a Williams fan to make excuses or what? Venus was not injured when she lost to Seles or Testud, because (in her match against Seles) the only time she appeared to be sluggish was in the set she won! Besides, when you go on to the court, you declare yourself healthy and able to win, and Testud and Seles took it to Venus and played better that day. It's like Serena's "food poisoning" deja vu (yea Serena, food poisoning was the cause of all those Capriati forehand's flying by you?).

When Hingis lost to Venus in her last match, her ankles were falling off her body and she could barely move, but you did not hear her complain. Martina would not have stepped on the court if she didn't think she could win. So enough of this "injury" BS, it's a tired, desperate excuse that has no room on a tennis court.

Now, back to the topic, Serena is dominating, Venus isn't, period. Let's look at how many top 10 players Venus has beaten in the Slams this year:

Two. Seles and Henin, the two she beats all the time anyway.
She's lost to two top 10 players in Slams. Seles and Serena. Two she doesn't normally lose to.

She's beaten four top 10 players this year:


With the sole exception of Hingis, she played top 10 players she should beat any day of the week. She's lost to four top 10 players this year:


So she is 4-4 against the top players this year, and her matches against Serena have not been close. She doesn't have a Tier I title nor reached a Tier I final. I think she has one Tier II and some very easy Tier III tournaments. Her last victory was a choke-fest from Justine Henin. The only two top 10 players she has beaten en route to her titles are Amelie Mauresmo and Justine Henin, the two biggest headcases on tour. In fact, Mauresmo had a match point in one of her matches against Venus, but that's besides the subject.

So what does this prove? Venus is having a good season, a great season by most peoples standards, but she is certainly not dominating...not at all. It is Serena's domination this year, Venus is just a level or three below her. We often group them together, but that should not be the case here, because one sister is doing good while the other is doing great.
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