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How do you know when a slam winner isn't good enough to win slams anymore?

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Lindsay Davenport won her last slam in 2000. But she made four finals and six semi after that, including the 2005 OZ and Wimbledon finals.

Martina Hingis won her last slam in 1999. But in the next three years, she made three finals and four semis.

Svetlana Kuznetsova her only slam 12 slams ago. But she's made three finals since.

How do you know when a champion becomes an 'almost'?

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Re: How do you know when a slam winner isn't good enough to win slams anymore?

When they dont play anymore

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What's interesting to me is that, if not for the WS, Davenport might very well have had her best year in 2005, far past her assumed prime.
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Re: How do you know when a slam winner isn't good enough to win slams anymore?

I don't think you can guess..if they won a slam before, the can do it again
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Lindsay was the best player of 2004 and 2005, unfortunately she suffered from a few players' 'good' periods, but overall she was the best and no question could have won some Slams, probably about 4 actually

If a Slam winner is in the top 10, I consider them to be threats to win more Slams...

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When what they did to win slams is no longer effective.
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If a Slam winner is in the top 10, I consider them to be threats to win more Slams...
Hingis was ranked #7 at OZ this year.

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Hingis was ranked #7 at OZ this year.
And people thought she had a chance in Oz Especially after how well she played for most of '06...

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Hingis was ranked #7 at OZ this year.
The thing about Hingis, is that she has to beat certain players in order to win a grand slam. I think she can beat a Venus or a Serena or an Ivanovic or a Kuznetsova when playing well, but I'm not sure if she can beat Justine unless she has a collapse.
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Re: How do you know when a slam winner isn't good enough to win slams anymore?

Every slam winner, to me, can always win another one, as long as they're still playing and a top 10/20 player most of the time.

It's a surprise to me Hingis never got a sixth slam. Her career is absolutely amazing in almost every aspect, and if she started to play well again she'd be a threat at the Australian or French.

Serena, Venus, Lindsay, Kuznetsova, Hingis, they could all win more slams. They have the talent. But something just usually got in their way. Usually each other.
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Re: How do you know when a slam winner isn't good enough to win slams anymore?

when they know they can't win slams anymore.

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Re: How do you know when a slam winner isn't good enough to win slams anymore?

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Lindsay Davenport won her last slam in 2000. But she made four finals and six semi after that, including the 2005 OZ and Wimbledon finals.

Martina Hingis won her last slam in 1999. But in the next three years, she made three finals and four semis.

Svetlana Kuznetsova her only slam 12 slams ago. But she's made three finals since.

How do you know when a champion becomes an 'almost'?
If you are assuming 2002 as well, Hingis made 5 GS Finals. These were in RG 1999, USO 1999 and OZ 2000, 2001 and 2002. Kuzentsova has also been in two, not three, finals since her Grand Slam victory.
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Re: How do you know when a slam winner isn't good enough to win slams anymore?

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Lindsay Davenport won her last slam in 2000. But she made four finals and six semi after that, including the 2005 OZ and Wimbledon finals.

Martina Hingis won her last slam in 1999. But in the next three years, she made three finals and four semis.

Svetlana Kuznetsova her only slam 12 slams ago. But she's made three finals since.

How do you know when a champion becomes an 'almost'?
Maybe I'm mentally challenged (it's entirely possible), but I thought Sveta's only made 2 other finals since her USO '04 win: RG '06 and USO '07
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Re: How do you know when a slam winner isn't good enough to win slams anymore?

If the player's name is Sharapova or Hingis.
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Re: How do you know when a slam winner isn't good enough to win slams anymore?

When they say things in interviews along the lines of :

I don't know if I can be Top 5 - Davenport
I'm just playing to enjoy myself - Hingis
I'm satisfied with my career - Some random player in question
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