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We've Been Over The Weak Generations, What About the STRONG Generations?

I have been a strong critic of the upcoming generation, as I think its an incredibly weak one. Some others have concurred. However, its not fair to call someone weak without defining what is strong. So I ask the question - what is a strong generation, and what makes them a strong generation.

In my opinion, I would point to the class of '99 and '01 as being strong generations.

1999
1. Martina Hingis
2. Lindsay Davenport
*3. Steffi Graf
3. Venus Williams
4. Serena Williams
5. Mary Pierce
6. Monica Seles
7. Nathalie Tauziat
8. Barbara Schett
9. Julie Halard- Decugis
10. Amelie Mauresmo

In 1999, the best of all time was still playing, Steffi Graf, so that makes it a strong generation by default, particularly when you have Hingis (x5), Davenport (x3), Venus (x6), Serena (x8), Pierce (x2), Seles (x9), Mauresmo (x2). Before Steffi's retirement, you had a total of 57 GS wins!

2001
1. Lindsay Davenport
2. Jennifer Capriati
3. Venus Williams
4. Martina Hingis
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Serena Williams
7. Justine Henin
8. Jelena Dokic
9. Amelie Mauresmo
10. Monica Seles

The best of the bunch, IMO. All of these players outside of Dokic got to #1 in the world. THIS in my opinion, constitutes a strong generation.

Honestly, any of these players in their '01 form would be in the Top 5
right now. Especially Lindsay & Venus. Has the tour improved from this? Or are people being overly nostalgic?

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I have been a strong critic of the upcoming generation, as I think its an incredibly weak one. Some others have concurred. However, its not fair to call someone weak without defining what is strong. So I ask the question - what is a strong generation, and what makes them a strong generation.

In my opinion, I would point to the class of '99 and '01 as being strong generations.

1999
1. Martina Hingis
2. Lindsay Davenport
*3. Steffi Graf
3. Venus Williams
4. Serena Williams
5. Mary Pierce
6. Monica Seles
7. Nathalie Tauziat
8. Barbara Schett
9. Julie Halard- Decugis
10. Amelie MauresmoIn 1999, the best of all time was still playing, Steffi Graf, so that makes it a strong generation by default, particularly when you have Hingis (x5), Davenport (x3), Venus (x6), Serena (x8), Pierce (x2), Seles (x9), Mauresmo (x2). Before Steffi's retirement, you had a total of 57 GS wins!
2001
1. Lindsay Davenport
2. Jennifer Capriati
3. Venus Williams
4. Martina Hingis
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Serena Williams
7. Justine Henin
8. Jelena Dokic
9. Amelie Mauresmo
10. Monica Seles

The best of the bunch, IMO. All of these players outside of Dokic got to #1
in the world. THIS in my opinion, constitutes a strong generation.

Honeslty, any of these players in their '01 form would be in the Top 5
right now. Especially Lindsay & Venus. Has the tour improved from this? Or are people
being overly nostalgic?
Wonderful maths! Never knew in 1999 Serena was 8-time GS champion and Mauresmo and Venus had won a combined 8 Slams
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Wonderful maths! Never knew in 1999 Serena was 8-time GS champion and Mauresmo and Venus had won a combined 8 Slams
Can you honestly see Chakvetadze or Jankovic winning 6 slams? or even 2 slams? None of them have even made a final! Even if you just want to track accomplishments up until that point, every one of the '99 players outside of Halard and Schett made at least 1 grand slam final. And neither of them really looked like GS champions to begin with - its not like they were a Kournikova who didn't live up to potential.

Chakvetadze only has 1 win over a GS champ for crying out loud.
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I have been a strong critic of the upcoming generation, as I think its an incredibly weak one. Some others have concurred. However, its not fair to call someone weak without defining what is strong. So I ask the question - what is a strong generation, and what makes them a strong generation.

In my opinion, I would point to the class of '99 and '01 as being strong generations.

1999
1. Martina Hingis
2. Lindsay Davenport
*3. Steffi Graf
3. Venus Williams
4. Serena Williams
5. Mary Pierce
6. Monica Seles
7. Nathalie Tauziat
8. Barbara Schett
9. Julie Halard- Decugis
10. Amelie Mauresmo

In 1999, the best of all time was still playing, Steffi Graf, so that makes it a strong generation by default, particularly when you have Hingis (x5), Davenport (x3), Venus (x6), Serena (x8), Pierce (x2), Seles (x9), Mauresmo (x2). Before Steffi's retirement, you had a total of 57 GS wins!

Although impressive at first sight we have to consider that Graf and Seles were not as good anymore as 3 or 5 years before and that the Williams sisters (esp. Serena) had not matured yet. Had Steffi and Monica still had their peak form Davenport and Hingis would not have won slams in 97-00 and no one would call 1999 a great year. So only the decline of Steffi/Monica enable others to catch up and to make that year a very competitive one.
Just my 2 cents ....
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I don't think that these 2 years were stronger compared to todays situation
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Damn, 2001's top ten has everyone reach #1 with the exception of Dokic. That is such hot competition
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well when that generation retires, this generation will be there to win slams.
it's common logic.

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well when that generation retires, this generation will be there to win slams.
it's common logic.
yeh its true.

We'll see anyway. The next generation will be something like: (in no particular order)

Golovin
Sharapova
Ivanovic
Jankovic
Vaidisova
Peer
Szavay
A. Radwanska
Wozniaki
U. Radwanska
Bartoli
Zvonereva

and more......(can't remember who )
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yeh its true.

We'll see anyway. The next generation will be something like: (in no particular order)

Golovin
Sharapova
Ivanovic
Jankovic
Vaidisova
Peer
Szavay
A. Radwanska
Wozniaki
U. Radwanska
Bartoli
Zvonereva

and more......(can't remember who )

Well, Justine and the Williams sisters still will be around for some years (2010-12). And they will win most of the slams.
Hopefully then there will be a generation that can take over, maybe led by Paszek? Some players who are 14-16 years old today. Better than those clowns mentioned above (Peer, Bartoli, Zvonareva, my a$$ ..... )
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Damn, 2001's top ten has everyone reach #1 with the exception of Dokic. That is such hot competition
I still refuse to believe that the competition was better in 2001. For example Kim & Justine. In 2001 they had very good results, both reaching an GS SF & F but they weren't able to beat the top players on a consistent basis. In 2001 they were in the same league of players like Ivanovic now ... People on here draw false conclusions. The fact that Kim & Justine reached the Nr.1 and were Slam-Winners later in their careers doesn't mean they were top forces in 2001. Same with Mauresmo, won some titles in 2001 but wasn't able to beat the likes of Davenport, Hingis, Venus etc ... what makes her performance in 2001 different to let's say Jankovic in 2007 ????
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I still refuse to believe that the competition was better in 2001. For example Kim & Justine. In 2001 they had very good results, both reaching an GS SF & F but they weren't able to beat the top players on a consistent basis. In 2001 they were in the same league of players like Ivanovic now ... People on here draw false conclusions. The fact that Kim & Justine reached the Nr.1 and were Slam-Winners later in their careers doesn't mean they were top forces in 2001. Same with Mauresmo, won some titles in 2001 but wasn't able to beat the likes of Davenport, Hingis, Venus etc ... what makes her performance in 2001 different to let's say Jankovic in 2007 ????
Because you knew that they would get there eventually. Kim & Justine had everything to win slams in '01. Clijsters was 2 points away, Justine was one set away. The game & talent was there. You simply cannot say the same about a lot of these players now.
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Can you honestly see Chakvetadze or Jankovic winning 6 slams? or even 2 slams? None of them have even made a final! Even if you just want to track accomplishments up until that point, every one of the '99 players outside of Halard and Schett made at least 1 grand slam final. And neither of them really looked like GS champions to begin with - its not like they were a Kournikova who didn't live up to potential.

Chakvetadze only has 1 win over a GS champ for crying out loud.
I think in 2001 noone expected Justine to win 7 Slams ... she was just that little girl with a fantastic backhand but who was easily overpowered by the big hitters on everything except clay ...
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Because you knew that they would get there eventually. Kim & Justine had everything to win slams in '01. Clijsters was 2 points away, Justine was one set away. The game & talent was there. You simply cannot say the same about a lot of these players now.
Back in that days the majority on GM actually believed Hantuchova will have a brighter future than Justine
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Back in that days the majority on GM actually believed Hantuchova will have a brighter future than Justine
Well, in 2001 many thought that Andy Roddick would have a better career than this Swiss guy ....
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