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Svetlana Kuznetsova v Counterpunchers

I wrote this on the Svetlana Kuznestova fans forum. I thought I would share it here, I would like to get your views on my thoughts about her game. I quote myself

"It's a shame Svetlana couldn't get the job done today against Tatiana Golvin. It would have been nice to have another crack at Justine, not to be this time.

I caught the 1st couple of games and saw Golovin was playing steady as usual. That leads to me to an observation that I've made watching Svetlana this year. Since the Australian Open I've noticed that Svetlana struggles against steady players. It started against Shahar Peer at the Australian Open, she's also struggled aginst players like Medina Garrigues and Jelena Jankovic - counterpunchers is the phrase I'm looking for. There are precedents on how to deal with players like these.

Michael Chang had an incredible 7 - 2 win loss record over Sampras in the early 1990s. Sampras was the man with the natural talent but Chang was like speedy Gonzalez, got everything back frustrating Sampras into errors and going for shots when they were not on. That all changed in the 1993 US Open quarterfinal. Chang won the first set 7-6 winning all 7 points in the tiebreak!! Pete won the 2nd set tiebreak. He then went on to demolish Chang 6-1 6-1 in the 3rd and 4th sets in only 45 minutes. Sampras was hitting winners left and right and Chang was running all over the place. That was one of Pete's best performances. Then after that the head ended up 12- 8 to Sampras including a 1996 US open final win in straight sets when Sampras played incredible.

10 years later, the same thing happens again, Hewitt, the new Chang has a 6-1 record over Federer including an incredible 2002 Mastres semifinal in Shanghai which Federer should have won. That all changes in the 2004 Australian Open quarterfinal where again, Hewitt wins the first set but Roger turns it around with brilliant Tennis and wins in 4. Hewitt hasn't beaten Federer since and Federer demolished Hewitt in that incredible 2004 US Open final 6-0 7-6 6-0.

What Sampras and Federer learned against counterpunchers is this - they both played more patient while staying agressive. They learned to only attack short balls and set up plays where they wil get short balls to attack. So they were always in control. Sampras' record against counterpunchers is incredible and so is Federer's. They learned not to go for winners when out of position because they will get frustrated and make more errors and that's what counterpunchers want to see. Sampras and Federer are also good counterpunchers themselves and can stay in rallies with good defence and switch the attack to offence pretty quickly with speed and their forehands. They also try to be agressive on
2nd serve returns particularly, that's where matches are won and lost.

That's the trick for Svetlana against steady players who don't make many (hardly any!!) errors. She has to stay agressive and attack short balls only, she has to be prepared to play longer rallies if she has to and not go for winners when out of position. If she can learn these things her level of play will improve further.

Justine Henin is the perfect example of how to play counterpunchers - she basically does all the same things Sampras and Federer does."

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Re: Svetlana Kuznetsova v Counterpunchers

if i am Sveta coach this what i saying at her when she play yes? is saying....Sveta give me kiss,Sveta give me hug,Sveta you hearing about the Two bored casino dealers are waiting at the craps table. A very attractive blonde lady comes in and wants to bet $10,000 on a single roll of the dice. And she adds, "I hope you don't mind, but I feel much luckier when I m completely nude."

With that she takes off everything but her necklace and rolls the dice while yelling, "Mama needs new clothes." Then she yells, "YES, YES, YES!! I WON, I WON, I WON."

She begins jumping up and down and hugging both of the dealers. Then she picks up her money and her clothes and quickly leaves. The dealers just stare at each other dumbfounded. Finally one of them asks, "What did she roll, anyway?"

The other answers, "I don't know. I thought YOU were watching."

then when Sveta stop laughing(MABY)i say,Sveta it only tennis,dont poop your panties and have fun
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Re: Svetlana Kuznetsova v Counterpunchers

I don't think Sveta is good enough to do that.

Also, Tatiana did not play counter-punching today. Tatiana hit more winners than Sveta and had like 10 UFEs the whole match. Sveta also hit more winners than errors.

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Golovin is'nt a counterpuncher.
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Golovin is'nt a counterpuncher.
Agreed...

Taking nothing away from Tati who's looked the real deal all week, Kuznetsova was truly awful at times today. Wreckless, wild - seemingly with no game plan.

Sveta has got enough experience, game and mobility to deal with all sorts of opposition (except Henin perhaps). I remember her taking out counter-punchers Jankovic twice and Hingis indoors last winter in convincing style.

Dunno: where was the confidence today, the belief ... the intent?
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I don't remember one 10 shot rally today. The points were quick and Sveta's shots were all over the place.

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I don't think Sveta is good enough to do that.

Also, Tatiana did not play counter-punching today. Tatiana hit more winners than Sveta and had like 10 UFEs the whole match. Sveta also hit more winners than errors.
Yep. 24 - 7 for tati compared with 22-20 for sveta. She was out played by tati.

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I don't remember one 10 shot rally today. The points were quick and Sveta's shots were all over the place.
I do. Sveta didn't play terribly. She played worse in toronto vs tati and vs Chakvetadze at USO (she won the match) there were flashes of brilliance from sveta but she was outplayed today. She didn't beat herself or anything. This match was just like sveta-serena. Serena hit more winners than errors but was just outplayed by someone who played really great.
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Someone at the site counts up UE's. They could have given Sveta twice as much. She was making several UE's every game.

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^ she hit errors but many were just stupid shot selection while under pressure, hence it's counted as a forced error
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if i am Sveta coach this what i saying at her when she play yes? is saying....Sveta give me kiss,Sveta give me hug,Sveta you hearing about the Two bored casino dealers are waiting at the craps table. A very attractive blonde lady comes in and wants to bet $10,000 on a single roll of the dice. And she adds, "I hope you don't mind, but I feel much luckier when I m completely nude."

With that she takes off everything but her necklace and rolls the dice while yelling, "Mama needs new clothes." Then she yells, "YES, YES, YES!! I WON, I WON, I WON."

She begins jumping up and down and hugging both of the dealers. Then she picks up her money and her clothes and quickly leaves. The dealers just stare at each other dumbfounded. Finally one of them asks, "What did she roll, anyway?"

The other answers, "I don't know. I thought YOU were watching."

then when Sveta stop laughing(MABY)i say,Sveta it only tennis,dont poop your panties and have fun
Funny how your English is much better here than in the thread about Golovin's nationality.You learn very quickly...
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In short, Sveta has no (tennis) brain. Dumb play all the time.
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Most of the errors were just bad errors. She missed at least 10 forehands by more than 5 feet. I don't even know what Sveta going for on a lot of them. Just swinging hard was the reason she missed. Or just a total mishit.
She missed a bunch of underspin forehands when she wasn't being pressured.
Idno but all i know is that she was outplayed today. I like Sveta but i think that Tati would probably have a better match vs justine because there isn't so much weighing on tati's shoulders since she isn't even seeded. Also, theres not the pressure of having to win her first title now shes won it. Hopefully she will lose all her inhibitions and just play. Henin on the other hand, wasn't as good today and along with all the pressure on her, i think it is far from over. Anyway, back to sveta. She needs to fix up soon. I just don't get her. Shes had a consistent year but it's not been great. So many setbacks like this. Come on Sveta.
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Henin is much much MUCH better than Golovin. I've seen over 50 Sveta matches, maybe 100. Today was one of her bad ones. She's a steady player when she's playing well. Today she couldn't keep a rally going.

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Re: Svetlana Kuznetsova v Counterpunchers

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Golovin is'nt a counterpuncher.
The point I was making is that at the moment Svetlana has difficulties against counterpunchers and players like Golovin. Golovin is a steady player - doesn't have any spectacular shots. Not a counterpuncher as such because she's not a quick mover around the court but she doesn't make many errors. Svetlana has difficulty against players who don't make many errors and she has to force the issue.

That's the beauty of Justine Henin - as you guys pointed out, didn't play great today but still won. Why? She's such a smart player! She knows when to put the pressure on, almost like a well oiled machine.

With Svetlana's natural talent I'm really hoping she can learn from the great players I mentioned at the top of this thread. They had similar problems and overcame them, I'm hoping Svetlana will do the same over the next 12 months. She's got to start thinking more on the court.
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Most of the errors were just bad errors. She missed at least 10 forehands by more than 5 feet. I don't even know what Sveta going for on a lot of them. Just swinging hard was the reason she missed. Or just a total mishit.
She missed a bunch of underspin forehands when she wasn't being pressured.
Golovin did to Sveta what Sveta did to Serena.Her serve was great, she put pressure on return (the return at 1-3 40-40 in first set was monstreous), moved well and made few errors.She has a mental edge when she plays Sveta, who doesn't know what to do and forces a lot of her forehands and first serves.All credit to Golovin who played a smart match.
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