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Mental Toughness Best Ever

1. Evert
2. Seles
3. Serena
4. Henin
5. Sharapova
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1) Steffi Graf

2) Maggie Court
3) Evert

4) Seles
5) Serena

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"And for the best of the teen-agers who followed her, and who occasionally referred to her as over the hill, Graf had a ready answer: against top-ranked Martina Hingis, Graf wound up 7-2. Graf's stirring 4-6, 7-5, 6-2 throttling of Hingis at the French Open final this June was perhaps the most emphatic parting shot the game has ever seen. "


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I'll go from 1980 on because I've watched those years more.

I think the most clear indication of players that are truly mentally tough is the ability to not get shaken and come back when you're down, or win the big points in the big arenas. I think these players have proven records of mental toughness. Even when their game is off, they can power through. In my opinion it was the greatest weapon of Chanda and Mary Joe (if not the only real weapon they had). I also see Venus as being more mentally tough than Serena.

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1. Monica Seles
2. Chanda Rubin
3. Mary Joe Fernandez
4. Steffi Graf
5. Chris Evert
6. Venus Williams
7. Helena Sukova
8. Andrea Jaeger
9. Aranxia Sanchez-Vicario
10. Martina Hingis (minus Roland Garros)

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Serena Williams
Conchita Martinez
Sandrine Testud
Kimiko Date


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1.) Evert. Think of how often players freak out when someone moves to net. Now think of how many players did that to Chrissie. She never freaked out. And she would hit about 5 errors a match, tops. That's mental toughness personified.

2.) Graf. She pulled herself together a whole lot of times, she came from behind a whole lot of times, and she did it by sticking to her strengths. That's hard to do.

3.) Seles. She came back after the stabbing, not as good as before but still pretty damn good. She also never got down on herself in a match.

4.) Serena Williams. This one's tricky because she's still playing, and she has hit a rough patch, but the fact remains she's lost only around 30 matches to players who haven't won slams. That's a stunning number, especially since you'd think people who have nothing to lose would try harder. Plus, there's no player who has willed herself to win as much as Serena Williams has.

5.) This one comes out of left field, so brace yourselves: Maria Bueno. She was entirely self-taught. How crazy is that? Also she came from nowhere; nobody had any clue who she was when she started winning things, and she didn't stop winning things for a long, long time. Also, she was the only player I've ever seen (DVD) who could make Margaret Court look foolish on court. That's an accomplishment.
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What about Nav?

Serena. Simona. Ana. Petra. Venus.
Clijsters, Henin, Dementieva, Davenport.
Martina Hingis - "No one else played like Hingis - no one could."
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Serena has to be up there. Her only weak spot was in '01.

Venus was amazing at the beginning.

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Martina had a million weapons, and yes she was relatively mentally tough. But she was not top tier. She got very emotional and beat herself up too much in my opinion. When you look at her game overall, I'd say mental toughness is actually one of her weaknesses in comparison to her other gifts.

Also, I want to comment on why Henin isn't in my list. To me, the 2006 AO final disqualifies her from consideration in this category completely. Just how I feel about it.

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For me, definitely Graf... How many times did she come back from behind in HUGE matches, has seen her opponents serve for championships before coming back and win, especially in Grand Slam finals!! 1991 Wimbledon final, 1993 Wimbledon final, 1996 French Open final and 1999 French Open final are great examples of her incredible mental strength..
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1. Evert- best ever mentally, never showed any emotion and was able to regroup quickly.

2. Seles- before the stabbing she was almost unbeatable.


3. Graf- after Monica left who did Graf have to beat ASV
4. Serena- '03 and '05 Oz Open are a clear indicator

5. Hingis- despite her breakdown at the French, Hingis was very good mentally. She walked out onto the court with the attitude she would win and most of the time she did.

Serena Hingis Venus Hsieh Keys Date-Krumm Riske

Pierce Seles Capriati Bartoli Davenport Kournikova Sugiyama Majoli Frazier
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I'd get Henin off that list. Mental strength is one of her major weaknesses, IMO, and part of what has previously stopped her from winning all 4 majors.
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1. Evert- best ever mentally, never showed any emotion and was able to regroup quickly.

2. Seles- before the stabbing she was almost unbeatable.


3. Graf- after Monica left who did Graf have to beat ASV
4. Serena- '03 and '05 Oz Open are a clear indicator

5. Hingis- despite her breakdown at the French, Hingis was very good mentally. She walked out onto the court with the attitude she would win and most of the time she did.
Hingis at her prime was definitely very strong mentally, but she failed to show that in 2 huge moments: 99 French Open and 02 Australian Open finals... She also dropped some leads in the last 2 years, but nothing comparable as those 2..
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Also, I want to comment on why Henin isn't in my list. To me, the 2006 AO final disqualifies her from consideration in this category completely. Just how I feel about it.
I don't understand this. To recognize your limitations and make excrutiatingly difficult decisions (ones that you will receive so uch flak for) on the court is no small thing. I know that a lot of people don't agree with her decision, and that's fine, but to know when to say enough is enough has to count for something.

People here want to say that it was "just a tummy ache," but really, who knows? At the Olympic games against Myskina, in the midst of recovering from a career defining illness, Justine's game was completely shot, and yet she hung on and won.
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I'd get Henin off that list. Mental strength is one of her major weaknesses, IMO, and part of what has previously stopped her from winning all 4 majors.
Care to elaborate?
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for me its seles (prestabbing). the 1992 french open final was her at her peak mentaly and she was never gona lose that match!

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