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post #1 of 84 (permalink) Old Jul 16th, 2002, 04:35 AM Thread Starter
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Wy do people watch a sport in which the best players have no skill?

I know that seems an odd question, but I've come across at least three posts that opine that the top players have, this is a quote 'no skill'. One supposes they mena the Williams sisters and maybe Jenn. Somehow, despite her (relatively) limited game, I doubt they mean Monica.

That's what got me off boxing. The heavyweights have little tehcnical skill, compared to past eras anyway. When the best players get mediocre results, and mediocre players are dominating the really good ones, its time to choose another sport.

I, of course, am delusional. I think the top two players display an incredible degree of skill. Achieving that accuracy while hitting that hard takes touch. And when the same two players make the finals at RG and WB, it tells you how high their skill level is relative to their, and i use the term advisedly, 'rivals'.

You non-delusional types, however, can answer a question for me. Why even invest time in a sport in whch players with no skill dominate, while truly great players lose repeatedly in the most humiliating ways imaginable? A sport where skill means NOTHING.

Now curling, there's a sport where the most skillful players dominate.

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Oh, I almost forgot.


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Thumbs up Right again, Volcana...

Volcana,

You really must stop "reading" my mind. Honestly, I was thinking the same thing after encountering that same phrase "top players with no skills"!! I guess with my "limited" skills, it's difficult for me to recognize the players with all the "skills". Saved for Martina Hingis, who, by the way, hasn't won a slam in four years, and no longer is as successful as her '97 run, the entire WTA is virtually "skill-less". But, I do think Kim is considered a "skilled" tennis player, however, she too is slamless and never attained the number one (#1) world ranking. But, do tell, what happened to Hingis' skills?? Has she been playing injured since the start of the 2000 tennis season??? To be sure, with all her "smartness", the girl has the best brains in tennis history, she'll figure out how to beat the power players who possess no skills!!! Right???

At any rate, I too, wonder why people continue to watch, when, as they say, the players have no skills!!
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You see, unlike others, I actually play tennis religiously, so perhaps know a little more on this subject (or perhaps not).

Hitting the ball that hard and 'accurate', as you call it, takes muscles. Long arms help (they can whip the ball faster, see the skinny Hantuchova and that's how she hits it hard). But that is far from a skill, people were born with long arms and muscles, or developed the muscles through weights, but it is not a skill.

Before I go further, let me clarify that technically, picking up a bottle as a 1 year old is a skill, but I'm talking in comparison to other top players.

Running fast isn't a skill. You were born with what you have. The top 2 lucked out in that department.

But let us look at the skills. What about volleys? No, the top two aren't very good at them? Dropshots? Slices? Lobs? Point Construction? All of these things are absent from their game. I don't blame them, hell, why slice it when you can blast a winner from 10 feet behind the baseline, but when they do try these things, it is ugly.

I mean, a team full of Shaq's would be as skill-less as they come, but they would be unbeatable. But it wouldn't be fun to watch, and the top two players aren't fun to watch.

Which brings us back to the original, why watch a sport where the top two have no skills? I just try to avoid the top two as much as possible.

Oh, and Volcana, Monica is even less skilled than the Williams sisters, and even more of a mindless tennis player (sorry Seles fans, she is a nice girl with a great game but variety she has not) so trust me, I'm not running to the TV to watch her anytime soon. Jen Capriati, on the other hand, can hit all the shots and works the points very well. I don't think she's as much of a "big babe" as everyone suggests.
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I don't think anyone should get . I take such comments and opinions to mean that like figureskating Michelle Kwan na Irina Slutskaya there are some who value artistry and fluidity while others like physical daring, i.e. that gorgeous leg up move Michelle does vs Irina's back to back triple jumps. Or Martina and Justine's touch vs. Jenn, Wms sisters, Kim agressive power. Just a matter of taste.
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Talking Hi Rocksteady...I mean...

Hi TheStrokes,

Your posts seem awfully familiar, are you, perchance, Rocksteady??
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OOPS I meant to say noone should get upset
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Talking TheStrokes...

Skill: 1bsolete: Cause, Reason 2: the ability to use ones' knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance b: dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks 3: a learned power of doing something competently: a developed aptitude or ability <language skills>

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post #9 of 84 (permalink) Old Jul 16th, 2002, 06:42 AM
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Hey TheStrokes AKA Rocksteady , your pathological obsession with Venus sold you off hehe..
Let's look at your stats differently, shall we??
Hingis 5/11 = 45%

Venus 4/7 = 58%
Since her 1st appearance (ranked 66) she's won 4 .


How many grand slams has Hingis played and how many has Venus ? How many times out of her 11 final appearances was she ranked and seeded #1??? How many unseeded players did she beat in the finals??

If she is so skilled , how come she hasn't won a grand slam tittle in so long??? I mean while her 5 trophies have been on her self collecting dust, Venus Williams has won 4, Lindsay Davenport 2, Serena Williams 3, Jennifer Capriati 3, Steffi Graf 1 and Mary Pierce 1.

Oh I can dig up some more stats, but I personally find them meaningless... I'm more interested in the present


P.S. you forgot to add Venus's 2 mixed doubles titles :P


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Let's look at your stats differently, shall we??
Hingis 5/11 = 45%

Venus 4/7 = 58%
lets wait until Venus is in 4 more finals, I'm sure she'll win them all then we'll look at those stats to see whos better...

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post #11 of 84 (permalink) Old Jul 16th, 2002, 06:54 AM
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Well if you are referring to tennis, i would have to agree with you about the top 5 players at the moment, noone ccan compare to Hingis' brilliance and tactics on the court as well as Conchita's slicing material.

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what r the percentages for? break point opportunites, what?
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post #13 of 84 (permalink) Old Jul 16th, 2002, 07:02 AM
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This is so stupid.....LOL @ best players with no skill. Some people are so pathetic....trying to create topics to "put down" someone else's fave.

LOL @ unsteady----you forgot this one:
Grand Slam titles in the Last 2 years:
Martina: zero
Venus : Four

"They'll never win a grandslam title" LOL!
"They'll never be ranked #1" LOL!
"They'll never win a title on clay" LOL!
"All they do is hit hard" LOL!
"Venus will never win another Tier I title" LOL!
"Venus will never beat another top-5 player" LOL!
"Venus will never win another grand slam title" LOL!
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post #14 of 84 (permalink) Old Jul 16th, 2002, 07:10 AM
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Percentages don't tell everything-Venus and Hingis are around the same age so here is their GS history:

HINGIS:
GRAND SLAM (SINGLES) HISTORY
W-L 02 01 00 99 98 97 96 95 94
AUSTRALIAN 44-5 F F F W W W QF 2r --
ROLAND GARROS 31-7 -- SF SF F SF F 3r 3r --
WIMBLEDON 19-6 -- 1r QF 1r SF W 4r 1r --
UNITED STATES 37-6 -- SF SF F F W SF 4r --



CHAMPIONSHIPS HISTORY
W-L 02 01 00 99 98 97 96 95 94
SINGLES 15-3 -- DNP W F W QF F -- --
DOUBLES 6-3 -- -- W W QF QF QF -- --



CAREER HIGHLIGHTS - SINGLES
WINNER (40 Sanex WTA Tour): 2002 - Sydney; Tokyo [Pan Pacific]; 2001 - Sydney, Doha, Dubai; 2000 - Season-Ending Championships, Tokyo [Pan Pacific], Miami, Hamburg, 's-Hertogenbosch, Canadian Open, Filderstadt, Zurich; Moscow; 1999 - Australian Open, Tokyo [Pan Pacific], Hilton Head, German Open, San Diego, Canadian Open, Filderstadt; 1998 - Australian Open, Season-Ending Championships, Indian Wells, Hamburg, Italian Open; 1997 - Australian Open, Wimbledon, US Open, Sydney, Tokyo [Pan Pacific], Paris Indoors, Miami, Hilton Head, Stanford, San Diego, Filderstadt, Philadelphia; 1996 - Filderstadt, Oakland, ITF/Prostejov-CZE; 1993 - ITF/Langenthal-SUI

VENUS:
GRAND SLAM (SINGLES) HISTORY
W-L 02 01 00 99 98 97 96 95
AUSTRALIAN 17-4 QF SF -- QF QF -- -- --
ROLAND GARROS 18-6 F 1r QF 4r QF 2r -- --
WIMBLEDON 28-4 F W W QF QF 1r -- --
UNITED STATES 29-3 -- W W SF SF F -- --



CHAMPIONSHIPS HISTORY
W-L 02 01 00 99 98 97 96 95
SINGLES 2-1 -- DNP DNP SF -- -- -- --
DOUBLES 0-0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --



CAREER HIGHLIGHTS - SINGLES
WINNER (25): 2002 - Gold Coast, Paris Indoors, Antwerp, Amelia Island; 2001 - US Open, Wimbledon, Miami, Hamburg, San Diego, New Haven; 2000 - Wimbledon, US Open, Olympics, Stanford, San Diego, New Haven; 1999 - Oklahoma City, Miami, Hamburg, Italian Open, New Haven, Zurich; 1998 - Oklahoma City, Miami, Grand Slam Cup
FINALIST (13): 2002 - Roland Garros, Wimbledon, Hamburg; 2000 - Linz; 1999 - Hannover, Stanford, San Diego, Grand Slam Cup; 1998 - Sydney, Italian Open, Stanford, Zurich; 1997 - US Open

I think by these standards Hingis is by far the most successful player out of the 2!
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Everything points to Hingis being the more succesful player out of the two..she has 5 GS venus has 4, Martina leads in singles titles, by alot if I recall correctly.

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