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post #1 of 80 (permalink) Old Jul 14th, 2002, 10:02 PM Thread Starter
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Supporting a player because of race: Good reason or stupid concept?

Saw the other thread about nationality, and thought I'd see what ya'll thought about this. Is it ok to support a player who shares your race??? Is it any different from supporting a player because of nationality??? I'm not sure how I feel. I tend to think that if one is ok, then the other should be too???

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Well, when it comes to race, all players are human beings or are martians playing on WTA

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Indeed there are a few martians... and venusians too

Seriously though, I guess it's just another reason, just as any reason to support a player. Some people say they support players because of their tennis. Most of those fans are easy to recognise, they call themselves the "true tennis fans". The rest of the fans tend to support players based on things like nationality, race, looks, personality, hair color, sexuality or fashion sense. It's all fine by me, as long as you respect the rest of the players, AND the rest of the fans.


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I think it's fine to support a player because they are "like you" in any way, whether that's nationality, race, religion, shortness/tallness, same taste in clothes or anything really.

What's not OK is to hate someone just because they are not like you. (However this doesn't mean you have to adore everyone who is not like you just to avoid being called prejudiced.)
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I'm totally okay with it. (whatashock) As long as you're positive not negative. Supporting all the white players is fine. Hating all the Asians players is sick.

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I'm from the planet Venus. I support Venus (and her baby sister Serena) because they are from my home planet.

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Their father lived on our planet for many years but I suspect he is from another star system. His predictions are too accurate for people from Venus or Earth

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jp - I must tell my friends, family and co-workers how wrong they are! My, we've all been participants in 'black culture' for generations, and now we find out we don't even exist!

Ralph Ellison wrote a book called 'Invisible Man' about being Black in the USA. His point was just that, to a lot of Americans, everything about being Black in the USA is invisible. To many Americans, 'there is no such thing as "black culture"'. To them, or I should say, to YOU, Black people have no different experience than white Americans. Blacks have no different culture, no seperate music, art, philosophy, heroes, or values.

Everyone knows Black people are treated exactly the same as White people in the USA and always have been, right jp?

Was there such a thing as a seperate 'black culture' in 1800? Or was being a slave the same as being part of the 'master race'? When was the last time we saw a gang of cops beating the sh*t out of a handcuffed white guy on TV? Why is it that eleven 'historically black' colleges still have more Black graduate than all the other colleges and univeristies in the USA put together?

In 1968, the Kerner Commission, reporting to president on the causes of rebellion in the cities, wrote that America was "... two societies: one black, one white -- separate and unequal."

But perhaps you know better than them.

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Volcana,

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I don't see a problem with someone following a player because of that player's race.

Each person has his/her own reasons for liking someone or not and I don't see why race couldn't be that reason.

What I find wrong is when they try to assume that everyone is race motivated or race driven.

To give an example (and it's only an example, but a good one).

Many people like the Williams because they are black, many like them for other reasons, many have combined reasons.

Many people dislike them because they are black, many because of other reasons, many because they are black AND other reasons.

but it's wrong that some people assume automatically that those who don't like them are racists.

What I mean is, if you want to have race as the reason for liking/disliking someone, great, but don't try to force other people to do the same.
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jp - 'Invisible Man' should be available at your local library for free. Try reading it and get back to me. I do understand that YOU can't see black culture. That is not the same, however, as it not existing.

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laughing at jp..

Anyway to answer this topic.

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I don't like it, but I have already said enough about that, and this time, if someone else wants to open this can of worms, go ahead, but I won't help. You won't convince people who are doing this on purpose openly on these boards, that by that they are doing something wrong. I won't give it another try, I can live with that, there are plenty of nice people who are not doing that..

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I don't think it is any huge surprise that I don't care for it, for the same reason I don't care for nationality cheering. It's divisive.

As for the side discussions:
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Volcana: you can tell your friends, family and co-workers how wrong they are. We learn new things everyday

"Blacks have no different culture, no seperate music, art, philosophy, heroes, or values."

For art and philosophy, it's not because some black people are artists or wrote philosophy books that it means that there is a "black culture". Is there a "tall" culture because there are tall artists and tall philosophers? As for values, why would black values would be different than white values?

Associating a culture with race is dangerous. Because some cultures are inferior to others, it basically means that there is a race hierarchy.
Pardon me? This post loses me on so many levels. I'm tall, but that never inspired me to adapt my own "tall" version of the English language, or hang around some smoky tavern in Jackson, Mississippi playing blues guitar. 30-40 years ago, tall people were working the same jobs as short people, going to the same churches, and listening to the same music. The "tall" thing completely loses me.

And the bigger question, what the hell is with calling some cultures inferior. Just because you don't understand them or they don't appeal to you? That's pretty narrow-minded.
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