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I think I just saw why Justine was able to beat Venus...and Jankovic wasn't:

I was just rewatching the SF between Justine and Venus and the first point at 3-2 Justine in the first set I think perfectly encapsulates how Justine took Venus' game away from her.

On her first stroke after the return, Venus hits an approach shot deep to the corner and immediately starts coming forward; Justine counters with a defensive slice right under Venus' feet, forcing her to back up a step or two from the net to position herself for a backhand; Justine then hits a forehand deep crosscourt to Venus' forehand, which forces her all the way back behind the baseline...right where Justine wants her. A few strokes later Venus hits a better approach and starts forward again; this time Justine, who is not in a good position to pass, simply carves out a slice with sidespin, forcing Venus to attempt a difficult volley which sails wide.

If you remember the QF between Venus and Jankovic, Venus was viciously attacking the net with great success. Occasionally Jankovic was able to come up with a pass, but she lacks the variety of shot to surgically place the ball where Venus is forced to back up, as Justine can and did.

As I watched this point unfold, my eyes went , or perhaps eura! I could actually see the genius behind Justine's countermoves to Venus' agressive play. Johnny Mac serendipitously compared Justine to a chess player immediately after that very point. WOW, Johnny...you can say THAT again!


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Re: I think I just saw why Justine was able to beat Venus...and Jankovic wasn't:

That point is a perfect example of howshe makes her opponent look bad. Alot of those missed balls/bad play etc are due to her a mixture of her spins, slices, droppers, volleys and power shots. She is a pretty smart player.
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Re: I think I just saw why Justine was able to beat Venus...and Jankovic wasn't:

you are a week too late
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Re: I think I just saw why Justine was able to beat Venus...and Jankovic wasn't:

that's one point
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Re: I think I just saw why Justine was able to beat Venus...and Jankovic wasn't:

Venus didn't serve well and she dind't put the ball away enough

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that's one point
Oh you have such a simpleton's mind I'm sorry supergrunt
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Re: I think I just saw why Justine was able to beat Venus...and Jankovic wasn't:

and you people give Justine too much credit. She sliced the ball on the run because that's just what she does. She does it against everybody.
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and you people give Justine too much credit. She sliced the ball on the run because that's just what she does. She does it against everybody.
PSST! The BEST grapes are at the TOP of the vine.


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The BEST grapes are at the TOP of the vine.

I'm sorry, because I know I really can't talk, but you made this thread because you watched those matches over and over again trying to convince yourself that Justine will keep beating Venus and Serena. So then you made a thread so that people can agree with you and convince yourself even furhter. POINTLESS! you're already making your grapes sour by making these threads for the next time they play, because you're making these stupid old news threads because you know a Williams will win next time!

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I could actually see the genius behind Justine's countermoves to Venus' agressive play.


Do you think MENSA have called her up yet ?
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I'm sorry, because I know I really can't talk, but you made this thread because you watched those matches over and over again trying to convince yourself that Justine will keep beating Venus and Serena. So then you made a thread so that people can agree with you and convince yourself even furhter. POINTLESS! you're already making your grapes sour by making these threads for the next time they play, because you're making these stupid old news threads because you know a Williams will win next time!
And that's also why I'm constantly in every Justine vs. the Wms. sisters thread making excuses as to why Justine......beat both of them?

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The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Ps. 36:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Ps. 14:1, 53:1

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...Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28
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Do you think MENSA have called her up yet ?
Naahh! The only thing she's good at is stickball.


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The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Ps. 36:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Ps. 14:1, 53:1

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Prov. 1:7

...Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28
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Re: I think I just saw why Justine was able to beat Venus...and Jankovic wasn't:

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...because you're making these stupid old news threads because you know a Williams will win next time!
...Well, Serena certainly is trending in that direc-......




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The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Ps. 36:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Ps. 14:1, 53:1

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Prov. 1:7

...Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28
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Re: I think I just saw why Justine was able to beat Venus...and Jankovic wasn't:

Justine has done things like that her entire career. She's always been great at drawing errors from her opponents and thinking tactically. What she does now better than ever imo is attack and REMAIN aggressive. And I've never seen her forehand so smacking. Her and Jelena are very different players. And Venus played a lot better against Justine than she did against Jelena.

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(1)A lot is being made of the record Serena has vs Sharapova. It is being used as THE reason she will win again lol. Good thing we have players like Tomas Berdych (who had an even worse record vs Nadal) to remind us of the fallacy of this nonsense logic.
(2)You stans may as well sleep well tonight because tomorrow the a replay of Lucie's winning moment over and over again will haunt your dreams for weeks to come
(3)The stars have aligned perfectly for the upset of the 21st century. All the best Garbine
(4) There is no path to victory for Williams.Keys wins in straight easy sets.
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Re: I think I just saw why Justine was able to beat Venus...and Jankovic wasn't:

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Justine has done things like that her entire career. She's always been great at drawing errors from her opponents and thinking tactically. What she does now better than ever imo is attack and REMAIN aggressive. And I've never seen her forehand so smacking. Her and Jelena are very different players. And Venus played a lot better against Justine than she did against Jelena.
STOP that!

You're being honest AND making sense. That'll be quite enough of that!

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The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. Ps. 36:1

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Ps. 14:1, 53:1

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Prov. 1:7

...Behold, the fear of the LORD, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. Job 28:28
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