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If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

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Much talk has surrounded the Serena vs. Justine rivalry, and who people consider to be the best of the era between those two. The two are now just one slam apart, and as a result, many still claim that Serena is the best of her era because of her four straight slams, and because she's still leading in slams total.

However, should Justine pass Serena in the slam total (either be a considerable amount or maybe even just by one), will Justine be the unquestionable number one of this era, or is there something else that makes Serena the best?

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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

Yes. More slams + more weeks at #1 = better.

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Only if she wins the whole grand slam next year. She needs Wimblendon, and she needs 4 straight GS to prove dominance on Serena's level.

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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

I think the fact that Serena won at the Australian when no-one believed she'd do well and whilst she's not as fit as the others shows what she'd be capable of if she had a stricter gym regime/eating plan. If Justine had as many injuries and a death to cope with, then we'd see more clearly who was stronger but a stomach bug (don't know what it was) and a divorce is not as devastating.

By this "era" do you mean starting from the yr 2000 to 2010 or from when Serena faded and Justine came?

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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

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I think the fact that Serena won at the Australian when no-one believed she'd do well and whilst she's not as fit as the others shows what she'd be capable of if she had a stricter gym regime/eating plan. If Justine had as many injuries and a death to cope with, then we'd see more clearly who was stronger but a stomach bug (don't know what it was) and a divorce is not as devastating.

By this "era" do you mean starting from the yr 2000 to 2010 or from when Serena faded and Justine came?
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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

If Justine were to pass Serena in Slams and one of the Slams Juju won were Wimbledon, I would consider her the best of this era.

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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

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I think the fact that Serena won at the Australian when no-one believed she'd do well and whilst she's not as fit as the others shows what she'd be capable of if she had a stricter gym regime/eating plan. If Justine had as many injuries and a death to cope with, then we'd see more clearly who was stronger but a stomach bug (don't know what it was) and a divorce is not as devastating.

By this "era" do you mean starting from the yr 2000 to 2010 or from when Serena faded and Justine came?
History doesn't care about that kind of stuff because it is subjective. Whoever has more slams will be considered better by most people.

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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

Isn't a thread like this one already floating around?
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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

She needs to win Wimbledon.
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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

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Only if she wins the whole grand slam next year. She needs Wimblendon, and she needs 4 straight GS to prove dominance on Serena's level.

Serena needs to hold the #1 ranking for over a hundred weeks to show dominance at a Justine Henin level. She also needs to win the same slam four times.
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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

yes, she have to win wimbledon to become greater than serena.

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I think the fact that Serena won at the Australian when no-one believed she'd do well and whilst she's not as fit as the others shows what she'd be capable of if she had a stricter gym regime/eating plan. If Justine had as many injuries and a death to cope with, then we'd see more clearly who was stronger but a stomach bug (don't know what it was) and a divorce is not as devastating.

By this "era" do you mean starting from the yr 2000 to 2010 or from when Serena faded and Justine came?
you dont know nothing about justine, do you?

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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

I think we have to dissect this a little further..

I'm the biggest Williams fan on the planet (we all say it, I know ) but I do admit that stat-wise, Justine leads by a mile, and therefore when she surpasses Serena in slams (as I suspect she will, unless Serena can gain that little bit more of consistency in her game) I don't think there will be any questions as to who is the best of their era stat-wise.

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Justine will never be remembered in the same light that Serena was, regardless of how well or poorly Serena performs for the rest of her career. Serena will always be remembered for the kick-ass-and-take-names style she played while dominating the game. For that matter, I think Serena will be remembered or thought of more as the best of her time, if not all time.


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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

If she wins more majors, she'd have that, more titles, weeks at #1, olympic gold in singles, year end #1's, etc.

There'd really be no question.
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Justine will never be remembered in the same light that Serena was, regardless of how well or poorly Serena performs for the rest of her career. Serena will always be remembered for the kick-ass-and-take-names style she played while dominating the game. For that matter, I think Serena will be remembered or thought of more as the best of her time, if not all time.
You really think people anywhere but America give a shit about Serena's hype?
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Re: If Justine passes Serena in slams soon, will she be best of this era?

justine also has a gold medal, more weeks at #1, ye #1's, and has won more tournaments.

and she is younger than serena.

justine is really a new level for the wta. not just ballbashing, but a complete skillful all-court game.
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