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Does JH's win finally cancel the idea of American women being the best in the world?

JH has han incredible year by any standards. She's responded to the traumatic breakup of her marriage, the reconnection with her family, and various health issues. She is clearly the #1 player in the world - but not just on paper. Her strokes are solid, and she could possibly have the most technically sound game on either tour.

However, American women have long dominated the tour. Even when Steffi, and Hingis were #1, there was Monica and the Williams Sisters. I don't think Venus and Serena's days are over, but I do think their days might be shorter than JH's who seems to focus solely on tennis.

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Re: Does JH's win finally cancel the idea of American women being the best in the wor

Not really, as long as the sisters are around. They still won half of the slams played this year.

I think the US just needs new players coming through. I remember when Lindsay won the 98 US Open, it was a huge thing because she was the first American born woman to win a grand slam since Evert. It was the changing of the guard and she inspired the others.

The Williams sisters could still do the same. They're not done yet.

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Oh, I know they're not done yet, but there seems to be a bit of a bottomless pit now after their departure from the sport.

This is the first time I can remember that there is not a succession of American female prospects in tennis.

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The period of domination was 1999-2003. From Wimbledon 1999-Wimbledon 2003 inclusive, American women won 15 out of 17 grand slams. Since then it's Belgium 7, Russia 4, America 4, France 2.

In the same period (post-Wimbledon 03) Ana Ivanovic is the only person to reach a grand slam final who is not American, French, Belgian or Russian. In terms of finalists it is Belgium 12, Russia 9, USA 7, France 5, then Ivanovic for Serbia.

WTA Tour Championships - Same 4 countries + Switzerland (Hingis and Schnyder) are only competitors from 04-06 - Russian, French and Belgian winners.

From late 2003 onwards no country has dominated the tour, it's been the usual suspects : Russia, France, Belgium and America. Is the idea of American womens tennis domination finally a thing of the past? Yes it is a thing of the past but it's not all of a sudden "finally" because it was clear the domination was over 3 years ago.

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I see your point, and those are nice stats, but there has always been that "threat." There has always been that "threat" that an American woman could win every tournament given right circumstances, even when the Russians and Belgians were doing well. There was always a possibility that LD, Serena, and Venus could come through and win every tourney.

I'm not sure that there is that American threat anymore.

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I see your point, and those are nice stats, but there has always been that "threat." There has always been that "threat" that an American woman could win every tournament given right circumstances, even when the Russians and Belgians were doing well. There was always a possibility that LD, Serena, and Venus could come through and win every tourney.

I'm not sure that there is that American threat anymore.
I think there definitely is. Serena and Venus have both won slams this year. Serena won Miami. They're big tournament players and will always be threats whether they take their tennis seriously or not. The only tournament they're not a threat at is the French Open but for Americans that is a lower priority than the US Open/Wimbledon.

Trouble for American tennis is there's nobody replacing Capriati and Davenport and there hasn't been an American junior slam champion since 1995. Now, of course not all junior winners translate to adult success and not every who ends up dominating was a great junior but it's a worrying trend. It won't really be an issue for 3-5 years depending on how long the Williamses go, but for the foreseeable future I think American women (i.e. the Williamses) will always be threats in most tournaments they enter.

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Venus and Serena are still going strong - 2/4 slams isn't bad in a year is it? Nope. As for the up-and-coming crop of American women, I have no idea - same for Belgium. But Justine's work ethic is far higher than that of either Venus or Serena, and that has and will continue to pay dividends.

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Maybe you're right. I'm wondering what this lack of American dominance will mean.

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I fear the worst for American tennis once Serena and Venus retires.... the European pool of talent seems to outnumber the American counterparts 10-1

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Re: Does JH's win finally cancel the idea of American women being the best in the wor

uh Hello? Henin still did not beat a healthy Vee or Ree. They showed that they can easily do better and still have better ability than everyone else. It was the lack of matches and Injuries and fitness problems that did them in. I pray to GOD that their injuries heal and they don't have these problems next year. Because then they can show their true level. Besides I am sure that most people who are praising Henin now know in their mind that she could have easily lose the matches against the sisters, it was close.

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No Not really. We have Monica, Lindsay,Martina,Venus,Serena,Chris,Andrea,Tracey just to name a few.
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No Not really. We have Monica, Lindsay,Martina,Venus,Serena,Chris,Andrea,Tracey just to name a few.
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At least Americans can be confident they'll never sink to the level of the UK. 30 years since a British woman last won a GS - I just hope I'm still alive to see the next one!
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Henin still did not beat a healthy Vee or Ree.



Yes so ture whenever they lose they're not healthy
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