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What Could Venus Have Done Differently?

I think Venus should be proud for hanging in there with the #1 player in the world.
But as we saw yesterday, when her big first serve is not winning or setting her up for the point, she needs to start the point from Justine's return. Justine will always have a tough defensive game, but if you can consistently apply pressure, then you should win the point. But consistently means having to hit three or four shots, just like against Kimmie. Venus, if she mixes it up with coming to the net, can definetly aim to that. (unforced errors is another story).

I just remember the last time an on form, %100 percent Justine lost at the USOPEN was to Mary in 2005, 64 and 63, or something like that.
Mary played consistently behind her big serve and moved Justine around with heavy and hard shots. Certainly the Williams sisters can do the same. They just need to get the strategy down and not be afraid or surprised by Justine getting their shots back. Tough to be aggressive throughout the match for every shot, but i hope 2008 will be a great year!
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Re: What Could Venus Have Done Differently?

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I think Venus should be proud for hanging in there with the #1 player in the world.
But as we saw yesterday, when her big first serve is not winning or setting her up for the point, she needs to start the point from Justine's return. Justine will always have a tough defensive game, but if you can consistently apply pressure, then you should win the point. But consistently means having to hit three or four shots, just like against Kimmie. Venus, if she mixes it up with coming to the net, can definetly aim to that. (unforced errors is another story).

I just remember the last time an on form, %100 percent Justine lost at the USOPEN was to Mary in 2005, 64 and 63, or something like that.
Mary played consistently behind her big serve and moved Justine around with heavy and hard shots. Certainly the Williams sisters can do the same. They just need to get the strategy down and not be afraid or surprised by Justine getting their shots back. Tough to be aggressive throughout the match for every shot, but i hope 2008 will be a great year!
Justine wasn't 100% in 2005 during the US Open. She had her hamstring injury which limited her movement. Thus, it was easier to hit Winners against her. And just trying to owerpower Justine is not that easy. There were many rallies yesterday against Venus with Venus hitting hard shots but it didn't really disturb Justine.
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Re: What Could Venus Have Done Differently?

could have improved her serve and could have taken her chances
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Re: What Could Venus Have Done Differently?

Just could've raised that first serve % in the second set, as it started to plummet in the second set. She wasnt solid enough on the big points( ie the 3-3 game).

She really fought well though, but jUstine was too good
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I agree. Considering they hadn't played each other during four years, the effort was admirable, and at times, spectacular. She was %100 engaged in the 1st set, and even though she may have been tired, i think her adreniline kept the match close in the second.
If both sister put the effort to get into optimal physical state (i.e. Justine or Amelie)then they can definetly overcome their opponents excellent defensive plays. Perhaps not all the time (I'm thinking of Venus' loss to Amelie in Belgium a while back), but as long as they can hold their serve relatively easy (meaning, not being pushed to deuce or 30-30 games), then they can start to swing more freely on their returns. I think that goes for both sisters, even on clay!
In the end, it'll be a question of playing Justine in smaller tournaments regularly just to get a rythm on her. Her game has advanced, and the sisters gotta find the solutions!
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Re: What Could Venus Have Done Differently?

I think Venus' return game was a bit weak today. It looked like she was standing way too forward (on or in front of the baseline) to receive serve. Sure it was to put pressure on Justine, but she couldn't come up with the killer return blows to get Justine off balance. Perhaps if she stood further back, she could have had more time to set up her returns.
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Re: What Could Venus Have Done Differently?

Get her first serve in and take her break opportunities and make less unforced errors.
The match could have been hers in straight sets.
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Re: What Could Venus Have Done Differently?

Vee did all the right things. It came down to a point here, a point there and Justine is tougher all around than Jankovic.
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Vee did all the right things. It came down to a point here, a point there and Justine is tougher all around than Jankovic.
Venus did not do all the right things, had she done that it would have at least gone to a third set, and she may have won it. She wasn't up for the challenge yesterday there's all there is to it.
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I have different take.

I do not disagree with the premise of the thread, but what Venus should have done differently should have originated from her coaching staff.
From this match I saw no evidence of that. I say that because I know Venus is not that a bad student to have executed so poorly what was done in practice


Having watched both matches Serena-Henin and Venus -Jankovic.

Serena-Henin for Justine tendencies
Venus-Jankovic for Venus weaknesses

From Jankovic match, 3 glaring weaknesses were consistently exploited by JJ:
1. Venus wobbly forehand (the grip did not seem right at times)
2. Venus footwork - cannot make small steps adjustments when the ball is hit directly at her OR when the ball is far and has to run to it
3. First serve percentage was mediocre and still mediocre
From Serena match,
1. You can tell that Henin serve was consistently high and waiting inside the court to receive the serve was not a good idea.
2. Unlike Other players on the WTA, Henin is not intimidated by Venus waiting to receive serve inside the court, especially when Venus footwork was lacking.

TO me, it the coach's job to make these little adjustments between matches.
By way of mini-drill for forehand and first serve.
Or just stressing to Venus to remember to move her feet and use small steps when necessary.
Or move back a litte when waiting for the serve iniside the court is not working.


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Re: What Could Venus Have Done Differently?

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Vee did all the right things. It came down to a point here, a point there and Justine is tougher all around than Jankovic.
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Venus did not do all the right things, had she done that it would have at least gone to a third set, and she may have won it. She wasn't up for the challenge yesterday there's all there is to it.
I agree, Venus did not do ALL the right things.
I ahve already posted what adjustment I think Richard should have made.
To that I'd also like to add, Venus played Henin like she did in the past. Henin's game has evloved greatly, she is much more powerful now and her court sense has improved greatly.
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I think Venus' return game was a bit weak today. It looked like she was standing way too forward (on or in front of the baseline) to receive serve. Sure it was to put pressure on Justine, but she couldn't come up with the killer return blows to get Justine off balance. Perhaps if she stood further back, she could have had more time to set up her returns.
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I just remember the last time an on form, %100 percent Justine lost at the USOPEN was to Mary in 2005, 64 and 63, or something like that.
Why do some people always feel the need to diminish Justine ?
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