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This may be stating the obvious, but Bartoli is in horrible shape

If she plans on becoming a solid top ten player, she'll have to firm up her fitness.

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If she plans on becoming a solid top ten player, she'll have to firm up her fitness.
Petrova and Safina are in no better shape and have been in and around the top 10. Depends entirely how you view the word "fitness" - is she "fit" as in if you saw her walking down the street would you assume she was an "athlete"? No. Can she handle a very demanding schedule playing more matches more regularly than people in better "shape"? Yes. In a sporting context her "fitness" is fine because she claimed exhaustion after playing the same number of matches JJ did in the same time period (French-Wimbledon) before saying the same.

Could she lose some weight? Sure. Is her current "condition" preventing her from achieving success *or stopping her physically from competing when "fitness" comes into play*? No. Her 3-set record is fine and her body can handle a lot of matches/tournaments.

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Re: This may be stating the obvious, but Bartoli is in horrible shape

Who cares. Marion will fade away again with injury and what not. After all, she IS turning 23 years old already.
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Re: This may be stating the obvious, but Bartoli is in horrible shape

Her father says it's better like that because it adds power to her shots.
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Petrova and Safina are in no better shape and have been in and around the top 10. Depends entirely how you view the word "fitness" - is she "fit" as in if you saw her walking down the street would you assume she was an "athlete"? No. Can she handle a very demanding schedule playing more matches more regularly than people in better "shape"? Yes. In a sporting context her "fitness" is fine because she claimed exhaustion after playing the same number of matches JJ did in the same time period (French-Wimbledon) before saying the same.

Could she lose some weight? Sure. Is her current "condition" preventing her from achieving success *or stopping her physically from competing when "fitness" comes into play*? No. Her 3-set record is fine and her body can handle a lot of matches/tournaments.
did you not see her physical meltdown against Elena yesterday? That was a straight set beatdown after she was up 4-0

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Re: This may be stating the obvious, but Bartoli is in horrible shape

I saw Bartoli live at Edgbaston and she is not in the best of shape really, I wouldnt say she was fat as a normal person but she isnt an athlete at all, its true shes obviously quite a strong girl and it does give her some power and she is pretty solid, but she really does need to tone up if she wants to win even more matches, but some people dont have the Genetics to be a "Dementieva" or "Venus" etc and its unfair to say Bartoli isnt trying to improve, watching ehr practice at Edgbaston she was working hard and it could just be shes not GOING to be a super athlete, but she could perhaps make some improvements.

Tennis today IS about fitness, just check out a lot of the girls today, they are real athletes, some are not, Petrova is very "soft" looking in realality but NOT fat, Dinara is strong and solid so no probs there but maybe not good stamina, so if you can have the body of someone like Lena D etc you do have a great advantage, I have lost count of the Matches won by Elena purely due to her strength and fitness, so this aspect of the game should not be overlooked.

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jelena is fit as hell...and she still never beat justine so fitness is not everything

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I'm not sure how any of us can question a Top 10 player. In the WORLD, she is number 10. I don't care if she weighs 250 pounds, she's a hell of a player to make it that far in her career.
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Re: This may be stating the obvious, but Bartoli is in horrible shape

For f***s sake.

Leave Marion alone. Why must there be so many threads about her weight and fitness.

She's a star of tennis right now, reached the Top10, and reached the Wimbledon final. She's been the best she has been in her tennis career.

Why not celebrate her instead of always digging at a true tennis star?
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did you not see her physical meltdown against Elena yesterday? That was a straight set beatdown after she was up 4-0
No, Britain doesn't get New Haven coverage until today, but Bartoli is coming off an ILLNESS, she has had the bug that Chakvetadze, Hantuchova and others have this summer so my question would be "what do you expect"? This is the same thing Hantuchova said she couldn't go for more than 3 shots in a rally without feeling it, Chakvetadze was barely practicing at all. This is Marion's first tournament back from said illness.

I'll also offer you this - did you see Golovin sucking for wind against JJ in Toronto last week? I don't see anyone questioning her "fitness" yet she was in physical trouble half way through the second set. Why? Because she LOOKS to be in better "shape", but shape and fitness are totally different things in a sporting context.

I play 5-a-side football every week and there is one lad who dies every single week after 40 minutes and is useless physically at the end. He's tall, slim and if you were picking who looked to be the "fittest" out of us who play you'd say he was one of two or three who looked in the best "shape". Has nothing to do with how "fit" he is though when it comes to competing.

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Totall agree with.



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For f***s sake.

Leave Marion alone. Why must there be so many threads about her weight and fitness.

She's a star of tennis right now, reached the Top10, and reached the Wimbledon final. She's been the best she has been in her tennis career.

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Re: This may be stating the obvious, but Bartoli is in horrible shape

No big deal. Go to the tourneys and you'll see a lot of flabby thighs and jiggly tummies but the girls can still play when they need to. You're acting like they need to have bodies like Marion Jones to make a living on the tour.
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bartoli is one of the best retrievers on tour! did you see her at wimbledon?
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I think her illness played a factor. I've never seen a player exhausted that early in a match. Bartoli is actually a terrific three set player.
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Re: This may be stating the obvious, but Bartoli is in horrible shape

Hmm, I think Bartoli has lost a TON of weight since Estoril this year. Atleast about 10 - 15 lbs. She's got some weigh to go, but better big than obese.
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