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WTA is at its lowest point since post-Seles stabbing period ('93-95)

my opinion... The 2-3 years after Monica's stabbing were a really bad time for womens tennis, and now again in 2006-07, I feel that so many "star" players are apathetic and just punching the clock week in week out. Mauresmo, Kuznetsova, Clijsters (quit the tour at age 23!), Hingis, Myskina all showing a big lack of desire. It's a sad sign when a glorified pusher like Jankovic gets to #3 in the world. Sharapova won the Acura but except for that she has been awful this year. And sorry to the fans of Ivanovic and Chakvetadze, but neither does not impress as a great player, I don't doubt these girls can win a Grand Slam title against a crappy field of 2007 but against the WTA fields of 2002, Ivanovic and Chakvetadze would have no chance. And Golovin was supposed to be the next big thing but she is also languishing outside the Top 20. The new generation of players born after 1983 until 1989 is a very empty generation, the WTA is now living off of one star player (Henin) and the tail end of the Williams sisters reign (unlike in their hey-day 2000-2003, today the Williams just win Slams due to the weak play from the rest of the tour). It's just stagnant.
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Golovin was never supposed to be the next big thing. Sharapova was the star from Bradenton.
And Kuznetsova is not apathetic. She trains as hard as anyone.
Jankovic got to #3, so did Coetzer.

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my opinion... The 2-3 years after Monica's stabbing were a really bad time for womens tennis, and now again in 2006-07, I feel that so many "star" players are apathetic and just punching the clock week in week out. Mauresmo, Kuznetsova, Clijsters (quit the tour at age 23!), Hingis, Myskina all showing a big lack of desire. It's a sad sign when a glorified pusher like Jankovic gets to #3 in the world. Sharapova won the Acura but except for that she has been awful this year. And sorry to the fans of Ivanovic and Chakvetadze, but neither does not impress as a great player, I don't doubt these girls can win a Grand Slam title against a crappy field of 2007 but against the WTA fields of 2002, Ivanovic and Chakvetadze would have no chance. And Golovin was supposed to be the next big thing but she is also languishing outside the Top 20. The new generation of players born after 1983 until 1989 is a very empty generation, the WTA is now living off of one star player (Henin) and the tail end of the Williams sisters reign (unlike in their hey-day 2000-2003, today the Williams just win Slams due to the weak play from the rest of the tour). It's just stagnant.
But we have 3 players who are guaranteed to get in the HOF, with each one of them adding to their legacy this very year.
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But we have 3 players who are guaranteed to get in the HOF, with each one of them adding to their legacy this very year.


and in none of the 3 Slams this year was there any compelling matches on the route to those titles. Each Slam was a one-woman show. Only match remotely worth watching at the Slams this year was Serena vs Peer at the AO.
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I never believe the bullshit about the old days being great.
What was great about Seles winning everything every year except Wimbledon?
Federer does that now except it's the FO he hasn't won. That makes this the glory days of mens tennis?
I've seen tape of women's tennis with wood rackets. Wimbledon QF's were moonball matches. It was crap.

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and in none of the 3 Slams this year was there any compelling matches on the route to those titles. Each Slam was a one-woman show. Only match remotely worth watching at the Slams this year was Serena vs Peer at the AO.

Jankovic - Safarova at Wimbledon was a classic. Sharapova - Schnyder at RG was good. I enjoyed both Serena/Justine matches despite their timing. Vaidisova - Ivanovic at Wimbly was also good.

That's four compelling matches off the top of my head.
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wtatour has been poorly managed since 2004,before that everyone was into women tennis. the sisters really made the game very popular between 2000-2003 and the men's tour was really bad almost an afterthought.the womens tour is going backwards to the days when it was a sideshow,no rivalries just non-charismatic players.those were the days when matches were compelling now most matches are just dull.I doubt if the usa open will be any different just another snoozefest.
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I never believe the bullshit about the old days being great.
What was great about Seles winning everything every year except Wimbledon?
Federer does that now except it's the FO he hasn't won. That makes this the glory days of mens tennis?
I've seen tape of women's tennis with wood rackets. Wimbledon QF's were moonball matches. It was crap.

I agree, overall quality of tennis is better today below the Top 10 or Top 15 than in past eras. But the Top 10 is what drives the popularity and star power of the sport, and today's Top 10 is crap, no rivalries, no intensity.
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Golovin was never supposed to be the next big thing. Sharapova was the star from Bradenton.
And Kuznetsova is not apathetic. She trains as hard as anyone.
Jankovic got to #3, so did Coetzer.
A thread that gets you and I on the same side is saying something. BTW, you could add that the Contessa has struggled with a legitimate foot injury, and Marti's may have resurfaced after a year plus back on tour and in training.

In all sports there are periods of great rivalries and single dominant teams/players, and other times where their aren't. The sports survive the latter (and some fans bitch about them, of course).
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Jankovic - Safarova at Wimbledon was a classic. Sharapova - Schnyder at RG was good. I enjoyed both Serena/Justine matches despite their timing. Vaidisova - Ivanovic at Wimbly was also good.

That's four compelling matches off the top of my head.
It was a good match, but a classic ?

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my opinion... The 2-3 years after Monica's stabbing were a really bad time for womens tennis, and now again in 2006-07, I feel that so many "star" players are apathetic and just punching the clock week in week out. Mauresmo, Kuznetsova, Clijsters (quit the tour at age 23!), Hingis, Myskina all showing a big lack of desire. It's a sad sign when a glorified pusher like Jankovic gets to #3 in the world. Sharapova won the Acura but except for that she has been awful this year. And sorry to the fans of Ivanovic and Chakvetadze, but neither does not impress as a great player, I don't doubt these girls can win a Grand Slam title against a crappy field of 2007 but against the WTA fields of 2002, Ivanovic and Chakvetadze would have no chance. And Golovin was supposed to be the next big thing but she is also languishing outside the Top 20. The new generation of players born after 1983 until 1989 is a very empty generation, the WTA is now living off of one star player (Henin) and the tail end of the Williams sisters reign (unlike in their hey-day 2000-2003, today the Williams just win Slams due to the weak play from the rest of the tour). It's just stagnant.

Ivanovic, Vaidisova & Sharapova, of course if they continue improving, all could play better than Martina, Kim or Jennifer ever played. IMO they could be in the league of Justine and the Williams sisters. Until 1995 it was all about Monika, Steffi and Martina. I think it's better to have more players that can contest for the tile. I don't see the level of tennis now being lower that in the 90's

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. Until 1995 it was all about Monika, Steffi and Martina. I think it's better to have more players that can contest for the tile. I don't see the level of tennis now being lower that in the 90's
That's the big point. If there are 2 players in every slam final, are the first 10 days of a major interesting?
No one knows who's going to be in the USO final. There's at least 6 with a chance, maybe 10 with a chance.

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It was a good match, but a classic ?
Alright, classic may be pushing it. It was definitely compelling though.
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my opinion... The 2-3 years after Monica's stabbing were a really bad time for womens tennis, and now again in 2006-07, I feel that so many "star" players are apathetic and just punching the clock week in week out. Mauresmo, Kuznetsova, Clijsters (quit the tour at age 23!), Hingis, Myskina all showing a big lack of desire. It's a sad sign when a glorified pusher like Jankovic gets to #3 in the world. Sharapova won the Acura but except for that she has been awful this year. And sorry to the fans of Ivanovic and Chakvetadze, but neither does not impress as a great player, I don't doubt these girls can win a Grand Slam title against a crappy field of 2007 but against the WTA fields of 2002, Ivanovic and Chakvetadze would have no chance. And Golovin was supposed to be the next big thing but she is also languishing outside the Top 20. The new generation of players born after 1983 until 1989 is a very empty generation, the WTA is now living off of one star player (Henin) and the tail end of the Williams sisters reign (unlike in their hey-day 2000-2003, today the Williams just win Slams due to the weak play from the rest of the tour). It's just stagnant.
Crap to be harkin back to the good ole days - todays tennis is faster, quicker, more exciting and the quality a lot deeper.

Remember this is 2007: we are dealing with a minority sport here, tennis ranks no 9 in US sport TV rankings - behind televised poker . The same story on the men's side.

At the very top I was quite enthusiastic about great rivalries at the start of the year: with both Belgians fit, Mauresmo, Sharapova, Hingis and the Williams sisters back in the mix. It hasn't happened - we have been a little unlucky with the retirements and the usual deluge of injuries.
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I think the tennis is as good as ever, really...I think there is something lacking though, personality. Unless you are an avid follower of the WTA Justine Henin is probably the most boring number one ever.

To the average fan she will never say anything of interest, she looks anxious on court looking to her box ALL OF THE TIME and she does pretty much nothing.

Tennis is not just about watching the tennis, like all sports, it is also about connecting with the players and personalities.

For us, we know Henin's story, we know how interesting her post-match interviews can be and how intriguing she is as both a player and a person. To the average joe she must be a BORE. Same goes for Mauremso, Kuznetsova and others.

(a lot of these are my fav players).

Unless you are REALLY into the WTA then so many of the players must seem boring, with the exception of Sharapova (everyone talks about her looks, endorsements etc) and the Williamses. They are not necessarily interesting for the right reasons but at least they catch the interest of the average viewer.

As far as the tennis goes I think we are at a great point in WTA History. It all depends on injuries, if all of the top players play at this USO it will be a GREAT field. Sometimes you just cannot help injuries and such, especially considering the commitment now required to sustain a good ranking

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