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Jankovic is a poor woman's Kim Clijsters

Jelena Jankovic is like a poor woman's Kim Clijsters she is very fast she can run down a lot of balls. Except Clisjters had a better serve and she had a weapon a huge forehand and a huge backhand. Clijsters was also a lot more aggressive. Jankovic is not aggressive and her game is very unremarkable and boring to watch. Against Henin today I think the difference was that Justine had weapons she really went for her serve, forehand, and backhand and wasn't afraid. Jankovic is all about being patient, working the ball, using weapons, and waiting for errors. And I don't see anything special about Jankovic's game. Jankovic can indeed win a slam I am not suggesting the cannot because she can. The thing with Jankovic is that she has no weapons I mean her serve is crap. I really thought Justine did a good job attacking it today I think she could of stepped it up even more. Jankovic can run all day like a chicken but I can see why she is where she is.

Justine let Jankovic back into the match with errors but she was going for her shots. Jankovic is a solid player but she can indeed improve if she wants to.
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Re: Jankovic is a poor woman's Kim Clijsters

Well, yes really, she is.

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Look at how many people consider one or more of her matches among the best of the year in that thread. If you're not entertained by her game at least occasionally, you're in the minority.
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I mean that puff serve Jankovic has not in a thing of beauty. And even the commentators said Jankovic serve is pretty weak and predictable. Jankovic is all about waiting for mistakes. I prefer Ivanovic game I definitely think Ivanovic has much bigger weapons and is more exciting to watch.
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Seriously though, what's wrong with Jelena's mental toughness.

I mean Jankovic is 0-19 combined vs four GS champions: Henin, Clijsters, Davenport, Myskina:
0-7 vs Henin
0-6 vs Clijsters
0-3 vs Davenport
0-3 vs Myskina,
they are the only Slam champions she has played but never defeated.

But look at the scorelines:
75 46 36
64 46 06
76 26 46
57 62 46
63 46 46
67 57 (vs Henin)
57 36
75 26 26
46 63 36
64 67 46 (vs Clijsters)
57 36
46 63 46 (vs Davenport)
64 36 36
06 75 8-10
46 67 (vs Myskina)

So 11 of 19 matches were three-setters and another 4 were close two-setters. How come Jelena has never managed to win at least one match? It's just not normal.
I'd understand if she was losing easily but she fought every match, she made them earn those wins but losing eventually every time... how is it possible?
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Jelena Jankovic is like a poor woman's Kim Clijsters
It's the other way around.
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Except Clisjters had a better serve and she had a weapon a huge forehand and a huge backhand.
KC had a better serve, but KC's forehand was a mess, and I think JJ's backhand is as good or better.
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Clijsters was also a lot more aggressive.
KC wouldn't go to the net if her life depended on it--JJ goes to the net more.
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Justine let Jankovic back into the match with errors
You and I must have been watching a different match.
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Seriously though, what's wrong with Jelena's mental toughness.

I mean Jankovic is 0-19 combined vs four GS champions: Henin, Clijsters, Davenport, Myskina:
0-7 vs Henin
0-6 vs Clijsters
0-3 vs Davenport
0-3 vs Myskina,
they are the only Slam champions she has played but never defeated.

But look at the scorelines:
75 46 36
64 46 06
76 26 46
57 62 46
63 46 46
67 57 (vs Henin)
57 36
75 26 26
46 63 36
64 67 46 (vs Clijsters)
57 36
46 63 46 (vs Davenport)
64 36 36
06 75 8-10
46 67 (vs Myskina)

So 11 of 19 matches were three-setters and another 4 were close two-setters. How come Jelena has never managed to win at least one match? It's just not normal.
I'd understand if she was losing easily but she fought every match, she made them earn those wins but losing eventually every time... how is it possible?
How many times has she beaten slam champions Venus, Serena, Kuznetsova? You're only showing part of the picture here. And a lot of those matches occurred when Jelena was a much more inferior player to what she is now...obviously not the ones against Justine though.
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Yes.. she is. I think that's the first thing you've said that I agree with.

The question I have is... is it just mental toughness?? or is she just the inferior player here.

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I think Jelena has more game than Kim. Or maybe it's because I find Kim to be one of the most boring players to watch. Jelena doesn't bore me on the court.

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She lacks that extra something that great champions have,instinct.She waits for errors and her serve is pretty weak.Overally it was an entertaining match.
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How many times has she beaten slam champions Venus, Serena, Kuznetsova? You're only showing part of the picture here. And a lot of those matches occurred when Jelena was a much more inferior player to what she is now...obviously not the ones against Justine though.
Ok, Jelena is 2-27 combined vs Henin, Clijsters, Davenport, Mauresmo, Sharapova, Myskina. But she is 7-6 combined vs Venus, Serena and Kuznetsova.
My question remains unanswered.
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when it really counted, justine not only hung in the match, she raised her game to and made some great shots. i think it's hard for jj to raise her level against top opponents.

and, i don't think she'll win a slam if she can't get through henin, venus and/or serena on her way there.
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How many times has she beaten slam champions Venus, Serena, Kuznetsova? You're only showing part of the picture here. And a lot of those matches occurred when Jelena was a much more inferior player to what she is now...obviously not the ones against Justine though.
Jelena has no impressive wins over Serena, and only one against Venus at Charleston. Can't speak for Kuznetsova because I havne't seen their matches, but I wouldn't call Kuzzy a great champion by any means.

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Jelena has no impressive wins over Serena, and only one against Venus at Charleston. Can't speak for Kuznetsova because I havne't seen their matches, but I wouldn't call Kuzzy a great champion by any means.
That's besides the point when you're using stats, because we could look at some of these losses Jelena took from those 4 champions and say they weren't impressive wins for those players either.

Beating 2 former grand slam champions, 3 times, IN grand slams, is pretty impressive to me.
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Morrissey, I think it's a bit unfair to compare Clijsters to Jelena Jankovic. They play two different styles (more mentality than style of play).

Jelena Jankovic is by definition - a counterpuncher. She doesn't make the plays often or look to dictate the points on a consistent basis, she's more reactive than pro active. Clijsters went for her shots all the time, whether they went in or out - she was pro active, she won or lost matches by going for it, she could look herself in the mirror afterwards and say I tried my best, even if it didn't work.

Today, you saw clearly Jelena had many opportunities to attack short mid court balls and put the pressure on Justine by attacking the net, instead she retreated on many of these exchanges and guess what? Henin attacked Jelena at the net instead. Sureley jelena must acknowledge this and do something about it. And having lost, how satisfied is she with herself knowing she backed off instead of going for it?

As I mentioned in another thread, counterpunchers do not usually win grand slam titles or even one grand slam title. In the last 20 years it's been mainly aggressive players who win slam titles. Graf, Seles, Pierce, Henin, Venus, Serena, etc etc. And players like Kuznetsova, Clijsters, Novotna who have won one slam are players who go for their shots and not back off. For those who say Sanchez Vicario - she had very good volleys and wasn't afraid to go to net to finish points, which is why she won a few slams.

I know Jelena wants to win a grand slam title. She must address the issue that when the situation gets tight, she must go for her shots and attack short balls and not back off, because in slam semifinals she will always meet players like Venus, Serena and Justine and they are not going to back off short balls and not be agressive when it's all on the line - that's why they are champions.
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