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The New Generation: The Great Pretenders

Sorry. This crop of "breakthrough" players do not impress me at all. Do you remember when Venus came through, and you were i m p r e s s e d ? And when you first saw the dynamism of Henin's game? I'm talking about generational talent. Well - maybe not even that: just *special*.
Jankovic is nice, but just _flat_. I'm sorry, but Ivanovic just doesn't have enough movement, not enough verve or variety, enough *game*... maybe if we hold on, some talent hanging around just over the horizon will emerge and blow this crop of pretenders away. Lord: let it be so. Because really: it will only be a question of Davenport/ Williams x 2/ Henin being kind enough to shuffle off to retirement and collect their pensions before this crop of journeywomen "talents" get a bite of the cherry.
If Capriati et al could recover from injury, they could easily mix it with this crew. You all know this is true, even in their 30s..! Maybe Chris Evert and Margaret Court could kick some ass with this ridiculous motley crue, lol.
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If Capriati et al could recover from injury, they could easily mix it with this crew. You all know this is true, even in their 30s..! Maybe Chris Evert and Margaret Court could kick some ass with this ridiculous motley crue, lol.
Oh yes. If Virginia Wade were to take on Jankovic she could blow her away 6-2 6-2. And Sue Barker could absolutely destroy Ivanovic too.

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Sorry. This crop of "breakthrough" players do not impress me at all. Do you remember when Venus came through, and you were i m p r e s s e d ? And when you first saw the dynamism of Henin's game? I'm talking about generational talent. Well - maybe not even that: just *special*.
Jankovic is nice, but just _flat_. I'm sorry, but Ivanovic just doesn't have enough movement, not enough verve or variety, enough *game*... maybe if we hold on, some talent hanging around just over the horizon will emerge and blow this crop of pretenders away. Lord: let it be so. Because really: it will only be a question of Davenport/ Williams x 2/ Henin being kind enough to shuffle off to retirement and collect their pensions before this crop of journeywomen "talents" get a bite of the cherry.
If Capriati et al could recover from injury, they could easily mix it with this crew. You all know this is true, even in their 30s..! Maybe Chris Evert and Margaret Court could kick some ass with this ridiculous motley crue, lol.
thank goodness somebody here has some sense.
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None of the young multimillionaires has a game that looks amazing.
Maybe there's a 12 year old out there who will dominate in 5 years.

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i too remember when i first saw henin, ws, graf and seles and i just thought wow. even when i was really young watching graf and seles i was really impressed. even with pova i see it to an extent - mostly in her very competitive demeanor. it's just so obvious with them. they have it.

i'm always shaking my head trying to figure out what is so great about some of these folk. there really aren't that many ballers on the tour. that's reality.

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The so called new generation is not dynamic enough,there is something missing..operative word is charisma.I think the next fantastic generation is coming in the new decade.
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There is no originality in anyone's game anymore.


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Could well be you are suffering from a dose of dilusional goodoldays syndrome, can only be fixed by gritting your teeth and pulling your hand straight up and out of your Y Fronts(or bloody boxers as the case may be)

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There is no originality in anyone's game anymore.
So true. I notice this in LA last week, how some players copy the other player so much. I will not name names because the last time I said that this player wasn't the greatest young player on the tour, the board almost crashed. It is nice when players like Chavetadze(sp) come around, she really has a nice game to watch.
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When I first saw Serena I thought WOW.
When I first saw Venus I thought WOW.
I see many of the same 'WOW' worthy qualities in Ivanovic. None of the others though, not even Masha.

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So true. I notice this in LA last week, how some players copy the other player so much. I will not name names because the last time I said that this player wasn't the greatest young player on the tour, the board almost crashed. It is nice when players like Chavetadze(sp) come around, she really has a nice game to watch.
Yes, Chaky is definitely different. Thats why shes delightful to watch.

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When I first saw Serena I thought WOW.
When I first saw Venus I thought WOW.
I see many of the same 'WOW' worthy qualities in Ivanovic. None of the others though, not even Masha.
I didn't get the WOW quality from any of the new crop of players. Times like this, you miss Clijsters. She had more game than anyone in the Top 10 atm except Justine, Amelie (on her best day only), and Serena. And until she totally stopped giving a fuck, she kept a lot of lesser players in check.


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When I first saw Serena I thought WOW.
When I first saw Venus I thought WOW.
I see many of the same 'WOW' worthy qualities in Ivanovic. None of the others though, not even Masha.
I really don't see anything special in Ivanovic. Sharapova does have a little something. In the infrequent times when she gets in a zone, she's quite Davenport-like. Vaidisova could turn out to be the same type. If she can martial her emotions. Chakvetadze has the best looking game, but looks don't count for much. I actually think Jankovic will be the next slam winner of the bunch. She has the most mature game of the none slam winners. But Vaidisova and Ivanovic both have more upside.

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Times like this, you miss Clijsters. She had more game than anyone in the Top 10 atm except Justine, Amelie (on her best day only), and Serena. And until she totally stopped giving a fuck, she kept a lot of lesser players in check.
So true. I'll never forget Clijster's amazing 2005 run. From spectacular, back-to-back wins at Indian Wells and Miami to her domination of the summer hardcourt season, Clijsters kept the "pretenders" in check with amazing skill.

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When I first saw Serena I thought WOW.
When I first saw Venus I thought WOW.
I see many of the same 'WOW' worthy qualities in Ivanovic. None of the others though, not even Masha.
Even Ivanovic at times is more a wow of how much poorly can she play a shot or just wrong select shots at times. Yeah at times she does impress, her serve can be impressive but for now I still think it is overrated. Jankovic has a great defense game, a good fighting spirit and her backhand is smooth and lethal, however she does not have enough game or belief to win a slam if it's against one of the big champions Henin, Williams et al. Vaidisova what can you say, her game is so one dimensional and her backhand technique is pretty ugly.

Sharapova's game to me has deteriorated since winning Wimbledon, she has not impressed me ever since. The inconsistency and poor technique of the supposed players of the future and immediate future does not hold a pretty sight for the womens game. It's nice to see Ivanovic playing with more variety and playing some volleys and not looking moronic, shes not too terrible when volleying but still shes just too streaky and inconsistent to be a worthy contender to win a slam in the immediate future. I mean Clijsters was a streaky player and quite erratic early on and occasionally suffered from those semi off days and still had a phenomenal career, but what helped her was that even on her off days her athletic supremacy carried her through, todays young crop of stars lack in this department and their technique is still very much questionable.

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t's nice to see Ivanovic playing with more variety and playing some volleys
"playing some volleys" is not the same "playing with more variety".

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Sharapova's game to me has deteriorated since winning Wimbledon
Sharapova's game in 2004 was ugly.

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Sharapova's game to me has deteriorated since winning Wimbledon, she has not impressed me ever since.
btw may be you are impressing Hingis' game vs Schnider or Mirza?
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