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Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

Seriously, how many matches has she lost deep in the third set???

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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

this year she has lost deep in the third set to MARIA SHARAPOVA, PATTY SCHNYDER and DINARA SAFINA

all top 20 players!!

p.s. 6-3 in third against Sugiyama hardly counts as deep
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the match against maria was terrible. worst tennis i reckon i have ever seen professionaly, from both players... altho the condition were horrid lol

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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

The number of matches in which she has blown leads this year, seriously...

Led 7-6 30-15 in the third against Sharapova in Australia, lost it 9-7
Led 5-2 in the third at Wimbledon against Schnyder, if I remember correctly, lost 8-6
Lost 64 67 67 to Morigami in Cincy... She probably had a lead somewhere in there
Led 5-0 serving in the first against Shahar Peer in Stanford..., lost 76 62

It's a pity, because she's really entertaining to watch, in some weird way If only she could pull out those matches and actually upset some players once in a while instead of just pushing them, it'd be even better. It's gotta hurt to never quite do it.
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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

Make that twice to Safina!!!!!!! Plus her infamous Open loss to Daniela 1/6 7/6 7/6!.And that Sugiyama match she was up a set and 2-0,and many chances for 4-4 in second.She also lost another 7/6 in 3rd to Morigami a few weeks ago...so yea she's a choker

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The number of matches in which she has blown leads this year, seriously...

Led 7-6 30-15 in the third against Sharapova in Australia
Led 5-2 in the third at Wimbledon against Schnyder, if I remember correctly
Lost 64 67 67 to Morigami in Cincy... She probably had a lead somewhere in there
Led 5-0 serving in the first against Shahar Peer in Stanford...

It's a pity, because she's really entertaining to watch, in some weird way If only she could pull out those matches and actually upset some players once in a while instead of just pushing them, it'd be even better. It's gotta hurt to never quite do it.
i think she had Safina on the ropes in Paris OGDF too

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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

Yep, she lost 7-5 in the 3rd set TB to Safina in Paris

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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

Unfortunately this is the type of thing that happens when a player isn't a strong server. You need that kind of weapon to finish things off. JJ has this problem sometimes
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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

There are two problems:

1. When Camille has a lead, her opponent knows that Camille is not able to run away with it or to just hold serve easily until it's over, because her game is not like that. Thus her opponent knows she always has a chance to come back if she puts herself together and believes in herself.
2. Yes, Camille chokes. Badly. The match against Schnyder in Wimbledon she shouldn't have lost in a million years, no matter how weak her serve is.

I love her game but the choking must stop or else I will have to quit liking her.
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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

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The number of matches in which she has blown leads this year, seriously...

Led 7-6 30-15 in the third against Sharapova in Australia, lost it 9-7
Led 5-2 in the third at Wimbledon against Schnyder, if I remember correctly, lost 8-6
Lost 64 67 67 to Morigami in Cincy... She probably had a lead somewhere in there
Led 5-0 serving in the first against Shahar Peer in Stanford..., lost 76 62

It's a pity, because she's really entertaining to watch, in some weird way If only she could pull out those matches and actually upset some players once in a while instead of just pushing them, it'd be even better. It's gotta hurt to never quite do it.
She had match points, if I remember correctly.
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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

No she isn't because she really has no business making it that deep in matches against those players as it is. Except for Patty on grass, that was totally expected to be close.

In the end her lack of a serve will always give top players plenty of chances to get back in the match.

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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

Top players like Safina don't hand away those big points. You have to EARN them. That's the problem with Camille's game. As tenacious as she is, she basically relies on other people making mistakes. That's going to affect you in the later stages of a match. It's not like she can just blast a big serve and avoid playing a rally on a crucial point. She's up against these huge power players and basically thinking, "Come on, miss. Please, please miss this one." I'm amazed she can do well as she does against the caliber of a Safina.
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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

Camille Pin isn't the biggest anything in the WTA.

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Re: Is Camille Pin the biggest choker of the WTA??

I do not think Pin chokes. Pin makes her opponents self destruct but when on the brink of defeat, they refuse to lose and Pin, like everyone has said, does not have that last punch to seal the deal.
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