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Question Men VS Women re: the Media

I posted these thoughts in another thread but thought that it could make for some good debate/discussion.

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YOu want to know the MAIN difference between the men and women?

Not the way they play, not the pay difference - look at how the media threats them.

The women are considered sex objects, and personalities. They are not respected as athletes.

The men are seen as athletes first, so everything else becomes blurred.

If the media paid as much attention the mens "assets" and "personalities" as they did the women, those of you who say that the ATP has more personality or good stories would realize how very wrong those comments were.
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The media treats the men and women differently in how they write their articles, how they question them in press conferences, and even how they commentate their matches.

The above, is my opinion on the difference between the two.

It is also the reason the women are so well known IMO. There is more of a market to use women as sex objects, as there is for men.

This isn't a thread to talk about who is better - men or women.

It is to talk about how the media threats each tour, and why that might be.
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That's a really great point Becca and I totally agree! The women are totally marketed as sex objects where as the men are not at all. And it's not because there aren't good looking men in tennis

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That is a pretty good observation Becca. The press uses the women's sex appeal to no end. Also I think the women have what seems like more rivalries, because they are women. Our society loves to paint the picture of the 'catty woman'. You know the idea that women are nice to each others faces but they are total back stabbers.

To their credit though, the WTA has been able to use this and has really made leaps and bounds over the years. I also think brining people into the sport in anyway is better than not brining them into it at all.

What puzzles me is that the ATP tour doesn't try to utalize sex appeal. I think they underestimate the amount of women watching tennis or pro sports in general, and at least 10% of the male population also. They were moving in the right direction with their new balls idea, but that kinda died.

Personally I love women's tennis, but I think men's tennis gets a bad rap. I would like the men's game even more, if they some players could try not to sound so envious of the women's game and then make really disgusting statments.

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It is very ironic that the womens game has founded its popularity these days on subtle sex discrimination.
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The idea of women being 'catty' and being used as sex objects - is discrimination.

Typical stereotypes of women, are what have given the sport its present appeal.

I do not argue that the level of play is quite good, and I am not insulting them as athletes.

I am merely questioning how the media has chosen to treat the women.




"The debate should be: how medias should threats each tour?

For me I prefer tennis to be less popular and that player are threated with respect."

jp nice point. I also feel that way. I wouldn't want to watch a mens match listening to the commentators talk about how some new guy is going to be the next coming of a male version of Anna Kournikova.

It is derogatory.
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It sells newpapers and magazines ,and people will tune in to watch what unfolds on tv. It's just the way society see women as sex objects.
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I don't think any male sport can be based on sex appeal because if it was, I think straight males would instantly label that sport a sissy sport or something to that extent. Female sports can be based around sex appeal in a way to attract the men yet not repulse women... i doubt the atp would be able to find that balance

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I'm not suggesting that I think the men should try to sell sex. I don't think that it would really work, on a larger scale at least.


Gatorshort - so you feel that since women are looked down on in society as sex objects first, that it is alright for the media to portray them this way?

Discriminate against women, as long as it sells?
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True. I think it's sad that women's teams in less glamourous sports even feel they have to pose nude to give themselves some sort of sex cred.

Somewhere (I think Brazil) their female teams even wear first names not surnames on their jerseys!! (Annabella sound so much sexier than Smith!!)
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I completely agree with you. The media does not take women's tennis seriously. However I think both the WTA and the women themselves and thier representatives play into it and I am not just talking about Anna. I was shocked and dismayed when during her interview before the Hantuchova match, one of the interivewers had the unmitigated gall to ask Jelena if she was excited to be participating in the glamour match with Daniela. She said that she was concentrating on tennis but if people like her looks thats great. Can you imagine 1) someone asking James Blake about a hottie match between him and Safin and 2) any male player saying its great if they like my looks.

Michael Jordan was gorgeous and had enhanced marketability because of it but I don't remember anyone ever mentioning it to him to his face during an interview about basketball.

Unfortunately Hantuchova is being Kournikovaized as well.
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Thanks for your input midora and number1kim

Yes it is unforunate that women have to be as sexy as possible, to make their sport as popular as possible.
In some aspects the womens sports movement has came a long way, obviously. With media cover, and international appeal of certain sports (tennis).
But it is ironic IMO, that recently this popularity has beem booming in thanks to subtle sex discrimination.

midora - great points about how they interview the women. Granted Blake has been asked about his modelling contract before, but never in the way that the women are.
The men get treated with a certain amount of respect in their interveiws, that the women don't seem to get.

One needs to look no further than Anna's Wimbledon interview to see that. Because she is this beautiful, rich, blonde "vixen", some people see it as a right to treat her like she is stupid, or powerless.

Its just not right.
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That's a great point you make midora The women don't really do anything to stop the way they are portrayed but in a way, I can't really blame them because I think they almost know that that's what gets them the most attention... Anna K. brought so many people to tennis... because of her forehand? I don't think so... and I'd also be willing to bet that a lot of male fans don't exactly mind Serena's plunging necklines or Daniela's cocktail dresses...

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The men get treated with a certain amount of respect in their interveiws, that the women don't seem to get.
The women don't get the respect because they don't demand it... like it was said earlier, the men would never put up with questions about their looks in the way that women do...

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angele - if the women don't put up with it the media then writes articles about how they are rude, primadonna's.

Look at how carefully Anna's interviews are critiqued.

If she doesn't respond exactly how they want her to, then they write bad things about her.
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Oops I think I lost my meaning in my overly long post LOL, sorry. I certainly don't like the idea that women have to sell themselves on sex appeal and stereotypes, and I totally agree with you Becca that is really sad.

But I'm not sure women could get their foot in the door any other way. Society has changed mostly for the better but stereotypes especially about women have not. I think the women have to brinng in the viewers, and then show them that they are just as competative as the men, which I think they are doing. But if the sex appeal stops, will the money? I'm not sure, I'd like to say no for sure, but I can't.

Angele you make a good point. Again our society probably wouldn't accept men's tennis if it was marketed more like the women's game.

Ok this post got longer than I wanted it too LOL.

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