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BBC Commentator defending Henin- why?

Why did Tracey Austin feel the need to do that? Instead of accepting that Bartoli is a great player, and even if she doesn't move like Venus, she hits almost on the same level, and was MUCH better than Justine, that commentator had to bring up LAME excuses about Henin's exit:

1. It was windy
2. Serena tired her out
3. She was tired after the French Open

All of them are TERRIBLE excuses.

1. The wind didn't affect Justine for the first set AND it didn't affect Venus and all the other male players who won yesterday.
2. Serena had 2 injuries and barely hit the ball hard, so all Justine had to do was turn up.
3. Yes, Justine may be tired after the FO BUT Nadal and Federer and Ivanovic were also in the final and managed to get to this final just fine PLUS the men play out of 5 sets. PLUS Henin wasn't tired when she was winning against Bartoli, only when she started to lose?

She doesn't deserve to be no1 in my opinion. A true Champion, imo, would be graceful in defeat and accept that she was beaten. A true unbiased commentator would stop making crap excuses and keep bringing up a player who wasn't even playing on the day.

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not to defend Justine as I really don't like her but where has she "not accepted" defeat?

Just because Tracy was giving up excuse after excuse means Justine has any responsibility for what she says.
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I'm glad I only have to endure Tracy during the US Open. I bet she mentioned Marion's "fitness" more then once during the final!?
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i agree-she should have won, she didnt play very well and looked kinda nervy out there. bartoli raised her game and deserved to win
if henin is going to say shes tired after going out of wimby every year then she shouldnt play eastbourne
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I'm glad I only have to endure Tracy during the US Open. I bet she mentioned Marion's "fitness" more then once during the final!?
just about every point clearly it was a factor but you dont have to repeat the same shit again and again
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if henin is going to say shes tired after going out of wimby every year then she shouldnt play eastbourne
Exactly.
I even remember her coach saying that if JH reached the semis of RG that she would not play Eastbourne.
I wonder what happened?

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She doesn't deserve to be no1 in my opinion. A true Champion, imo, would be graceful in defeat and accept that she was beaten.
Henin was graceful in defeat whether you wish to believe it or not. She had nothing but nice words for Bartoli and I don't think she made any excuses. Maybe if you got a brain and learned to read you'd realize that.

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So why did Serena is not graceful in defeat and accept that she was beaten?
"I only play 40% ","All she did was just show up" , "She played her game of life ", "I did everything thing wrong" bra bra.

Bartoli's sensational win partly due to her great play, partly due to Justine dropped her level.

Justine did tired, her body is fragile, she had Virus in 2004. She cannot hit her favorite topspin backhand most of time in Bartoli's match. She had to use slice a lot, her forehand was also off.

Justine earned No.1 by herself, just like Serena earned a few years ago. She beat Serena twice this year.She also has the highest W/L ratio of the year. She definitely deserve to be no1 more than anybody else.

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tracy can't stop being who she is - an idiot.
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hmm, she was telling it like it is. Justine was very clearly tired and her shots had barely anything on them. If you didn't see that, it's your own problem of being biased.

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PLUS Henin wasn't tired when she was winning against Bartoli, only when she started to lose?
No she was visibly tired in the first set too. It looked like she was practising to me, cause she was spinning her forehands in and slicing her backhand. Marion was nervous but then upped her level in the 2nd and Justine struggled more.
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hmm, she was telling it like it is. Justine was very clearly tired and her shots had barely anything on them. If you didn't see that, it's your own problem of being biased.



No she was visibly tired in the first set too. It looked like she was practising to me, cause she was spinning her forehands in and slicing her backhand. Marion was nervous but then upped her level in the 2nd and Justine struggled more.
i'm sure marion, who is not as fit as henin, was also tired. she actually played more tennis than henin. those my dear are the facts. so, i ask you to stop being biased.
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hmm, she was telling it like it is. Justine was very clearly tired and her shots had barely anything on them. If you didn't see that, it's your own problem of being biased.



No she was visibly tired in the first set too. It looked like she was practising to me, cause she was spinning her forehands in and slicing her backhand. Marion was nervous but then upped her level in the 2nd and Justine struggled more.
No, Henin doesn't ever hit her forehand hard and flat consistently. It's much improved, but it's always loopier than it needs to be on grass. As for her backhand, she was slicing it because she knew Bartoli's game and had determined that to be a good tactic. Read her post-match interview. She knew she could not take Bartoli lightly. Of course, she didn't play the match of her life, but if you have to do that to win, what happens on all the other days?

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i'm sure marion, who is not as fit as henin, was also tired. she actually played more tennis than henin. those my dear are the facts. so, i ask you to stop being biased.
Did Marion win RG? Did she win Eastbourn? I'm not comparing them, and it could be that Marion was tired. The point is that Justine was far below what she usually delivers because of her tiredness. Got it?

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So why did Serena is not graceful in defeat

Bartoli's sensational win partly due to her great play, partly due to Justine dropped her level.

Justine did tired, her body is fragile, she had Virus in 2004. She cannot hit her favorite topspin backhand most of time in Bartoli's match. She had to use slice a lot, her forehand was also off.
I'm not gonna comment on Serena. I think you're the first to mention her. I didn't mention her, so why should you? Are Serena and Justine married or something, so you mention one and have to mention the other too? Yeah Justine made mistakes, but that can't be excused- not at this level. The virus was in 2004, the semifinal was in 2007. I think she's had time to recover. Venus had an injury this yr, Serena had one this yr, Shrapova had one this yr and Mauresmo had surgery and still turned up. No excuse.

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Henin was graceful in defeat whether you wish to believe it or not. She had nothing but nice words for Bartoli and I don't think she made any excuses. Maybe if you got a brain and learned to read you'd realize that.
Why resort to insulting me? You don't have to agree with my opinion. Just comment and go. Loser.

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hmm, she was telling it like it is. Justine was very clearly tired and her shots had barely anything on them. If you didn't see that, it's your own problem of being biased. No she was visibly tired in the first set too. It looked like she was practising to me, cause she was spinning her forehands in and slicing her backhand. Marion was nervous but then upped her level in the 2nd and Justine struggled more.
Tracey Austin said she was tired, but McEnroe said "but she was winning 6-1, 4-3". If she was soooo tired, why was she making the shots at the beginning? That proves the excuse is terrible. Another one resorting to insults...why? Obviously because I've hit a soft spot. How sad for you.

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No, Henin doesn't ever hit her forehand hard and flat consistently. It's much improved, but it's always loopier than it needs to be on grass. As for her backhand, she was slicing it because she knew Bartoli's game and had determined that to be a good tactic. Read her post-match interview. She knew she could not take Bartoli lightly. Of course, she didn't play the match of her life, but if you have to do that to win, what happens on all the other days?

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No. Justine consistently hits the forehand better than she did against Marion. It's not just the flatness, it usually has a lot more top spin it, and has more weight. Really, it was just way too obvious. As for the backhand, were you in her head? How do you know she was using it as a tactic? And obviously that couldn't be right, cause she was losing 4 0 in the last set and she was still using it. And I read her press conference, and she said she had nothing left in the third.
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