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Objectively, Sharapova=Venus - Great Movement...

...so why would she be expected to win? And frankly, the more I follow the Williams storyline, the more I like them. At this point, I am buying what they are putting out there:

Their losses (99/100 times) have more to do with them than with their opponents.

Injury free, they can walk into any tournament on any surface and (at the very least) threaten for the title.

Serena is one of the best ever and can win whenever she chooses. I mean, really. She held all four slams, went *through* Henin at the French to do so, and went *through* her sister (two-time defending champion of wimbledon, and who would make four *straight* finals when all was said and done)to win Wimbledon. She beats the best. When you throw in AO 05 and 07, where her preparation was ahem, lackluster, you have to show some serious respect. I do not disagree than Henin thoroughly outplayed her this year at RG though.

The point is that while Venus has a losing record to Sharapova, she must have played far below her best in those matches. Sharapova has absolutely nothing to hurt Venus with. They are like clones except Venus' movement is 5times better than Sharapova's. Venus' serve is better, she's stronger at the net. They both hit flat. The only real difference, though, is the movement. It's sort of like when Davenport played Seles in her later years. Very similar players, but Davenport moved much better.

The result is not surprising. Sharapova winning a set would have been...

I don't hate Sharapova, but I do think she's severely overrated. She really doesn't do anything special. Though, if she plays the match of her life, she can win slams..Just won't happen frequently.
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Re: Objectively, Sharapova=Venus - Great Movement...

davenport did not beat seles bc of her movement. she beat her b/c she hit the ball bigger and had a MUCH more lethal serve
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Re: Objectively, Sharapova=Venus - Great Movement...

She may have hit the ball a little harder; serve was definetly better, but had Seles' movement been as good as Davenport's, the matches would have been closers. Other points notwithstanding...
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Re: Objectively, Sharapova=Venus - Great Movement...

Venus has won one major in more than 5 years. Sharapova won 2 as a teen.
I think Sharapova has a big shot to outdo Venus. And she has a winning h2h

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Re: Objectively, Sharapova=Venus - Great Movement...

Sure, Sharapova is not done yet, but neither is Venus. And if they (all 3 of them) continue playing well, Venus' post-prime year results are going to seriously detract from Sharapova's prime year results. Take a look at her record against the Williams' in slams. It's horrendous.
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Re: Objectively, Sharapova=Venus - Great Movement...

Venus is 27 and Sharapova is 20. Lets see their numbers when they're both retired.
Of course Venus has more majors now, but she won them when Sharapova was 13.

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No point to debate about who will accomplish more after it's all said and done, but I think Maria's having gone 1-4 against the Williams in Grand Slams (during years where even the sternest anti-williams fans would admit were far below their best) says a lot.
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It says she was 17 when she started playing them. No excuse for blowing those match points in the AO SF.
She's going to be the player to beat at majors for years.

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No actually that argument falls flat. The only one she won was the one she played when she was 17. I think that highlights that match as an outlier. Sharapova is regarded as a great fighter, but she lost those matchpoints to a greater fighter. Proves the whole point. Sharapova is about 3/5 of a Williams.
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I think you should let Sharapova at least get to 25 years old before you make those assumptions.
She is much more consistent than Venus. That doesn't mean she wins every match.
But over time, consistent greatness builds impressive numbers.

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I disagree. Monica Seles was one of the most consistent players on tour from 97-2002 and she got nothing from it. Another point, you said Venus has one slam in the last five years. If she wins this one (and I know she's a long way from doing it) she will have two in two years. Sharapova will be at 2 in 3 years, so at that point her consistency (and unreasonable number of losses in slam semis) would have produced less than Venus' inconsistent brilliance. Serena also has two in the last two years, and she was outside of the top hundred for a large portion of last year. Consistency produces Jana Novotna and Conchita Martinez. Brilliance produces slams, and that's where the impressive numbers come from.
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Serena has 2 in the last 4 years and counting, because she's already been bounced out of this one. And Justine wasn't at both of those majors.
Venus won one since 2001. Sharapova was born in '87. She was 13 when 2001 started.

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AO 2005, AO 2007... It's two plus years since aussie 05, so you're a little off base there. No where near 'four plus years.' And it doesn't matter how old Sharapova was in 2001. Venus won Wimbledon in 05 and if she wins it this years, it's two in the last 2 plus years. How are you getting four?? If you're forgetting the Aussie 05 and thinking of W 03, then that gives Serena 3. You're fighting a losing battle here. The Williams are on the other side of their career and Sharapova is in her prime, and yet they're handing out straight-set losses to her like they're going out of style. Their slam results over the past 3 years (since Sharapova won) are neck and neck with hers. If Venus wins here, you're running on fumes. Proves that sporadic brilliance trumps consistency.
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Objectively, Sharapova = Venus - Great Movement - Net Play - Bootyliciousness.

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Sharapova=Venus-30 in ranking -7 years +many endorsements and webhits

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