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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old Jul 4th, 2007, 09:33 PM Thread Starter
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If only Justine wouldn't have played that poorly...

While Serena was serving some superb tennis today, Justine was really “under par”. She made soooooooo many unforced errors and her serving was as bad as it gets.
The first and third set Justine’s level was barely acceptable, but OMG that second set: Juju really handed those two breaks to Serena. And of course when Serena is on like today, you cannot recover from two breaks.
I don’t know what Serena had under the tape, but she was racing around the court like I’ve never seen her! Wow!!! What I also liked a lot about Serena was the fact that, besides powering the ball excellently, she was really thinking out there. Trying to mix it up with the slices. You know those little tactics, … wonderful!!! I think it’s a real improvement to her game. She already used that technic a lot in Roland Garros, unfortunately there her slice was floating too much. But today she really seemed to be knifing it. Maybe that tape on her left hand was there to balance her out, so she could hit those wonderful slices. Of course it wasn’t perfect yet, but for such a technically talented player, it will only be a matter of time before she masters it perfectly.

Well with the facts being as they are, Serena playing excellently and Henin clearly under her normal level, I wonder what the outcome would have been, if Justine also played at her normal level. I could really have been an amazing match!!!

THIS IS A NON PROVOCATIVE TREAD !!!

Now the actual question for you guys and girls:
What can we consider as THE NORMAL LEVEL of a tennis player? Do we measure their level against a few peak performances? Or should we consider their average level (Also taking into account bad wins in early rounds?)

Examples to clarify my questions:
Is Justine’s NORMAL level serving 75% first serves in, only because she once had such a high percentage in one match?
Is Serena’s NORMAL level hitting TWO unforced errors in a match?

OR are all these questions irrelevant: Should we assume that any given player always tries to play their best in any match? And that it’s all about the performance on that given day, against a certain player? Thus making it senseless to talk about them not playing at their NORMAL LEVEL? Or the players themselves stating that they only played at 50%?

ADDITIONAL QUESTION

When was the last time anyone played a great match against Justine and still lost? Because from reading posts on the forum, some people really seem to think that Justine only wins matches because the other player is playing badly.

PLEASE KEEP IT NICE AND CIVILIZED IN THIS TREAD !!!
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Re: If only Justine wouldn't have played that poorly...

Hopefully someone else will be playing much better.
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Re: If only Justine wouldn't have played that poorly...

You think Justine was "under par" and her level "barely acceptable" or worse and you can't stop about Serena... and you call that non provocative ?

Do you really think Justine can beat an excellent Serena if Ju's not playing well So that means that if Justine would have reached a high level of play, the score would've been something like 6-1 6-1 ?

the normal level is the average level. Justine's normal first serve % isn't 75 (even though she has been serving brilliantly in all her other matches on grass this year)

Tamira Paszek played a great match against Justine in Dubai and still lost and there are many more examples
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Yes I agree with the starter of this thread, to me it looks like Justine was only at 41% of her top play
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Re: If only Justine wouldn't have played that poorly...

got to like the viewpoint in this article
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Re: If only Justine wouldn't have played that poorly...

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Yes I agree with the starter of this thread, to me it looks like Justine was only at 41% of her top play
I agree with that too. (At the FC she played her best tennis: really phenomenal and really out of this world.)
I think today she played tensed and self-conscious in a way. I was so glad when finally those two, back-to-back backhands appeared, finally Juju had arrived.

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I agree with that too. (At the FC she played her best tennis: really phenomenal and really out of this world.)
I think today she played tensed and self-conscious in a way. I was so glad when finally those two, back-to-back backhands appeared, finally Juju had arrived.
I agree that Justine was well below her normal level, and I think much of this had to do with nerves about the situation. But another thing is that Justine is a rhythm player, and Serena's level of play with injury (although I think likely would have been the same without) just didn't give her any kind of rhythm. She didn't know if Serena was going to hit a shot with interest, mishit, or play a touch shot. I think that's why she looked less than excellent against Schnyder too...Patty's a player that just doesn't give Justine any kind of rhythm to work with, as is Serena.
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Re: If only Justine wouldn't have played that poorly...

I really don't know what everyone was watching. The first set was high quality by both of them. Justine's first serve percentage was off, but she did play very good in the first and at start of the third. The last part of the second set was bad, I agree, but in general, it wasn't a low quality match at all by both of them.
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1. If Justine played Australia Serena wouldn't of won
2. If Serena was only 40% then she shouldn't of played at all. When is she finally going to give her opponents credit. She had the nerve when Henin beat her in Paris to say "all she had to do was show up". Does she ever think that she just may of lost to the better player right now?
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1. If Justine played Australia Serena wouldn't of won
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Re: If only Justine wouldn't have played that poorly...

Justine had SEVEN (7) DF in the match compared to NONE from Serena.
Serena got EIGHT (8) Aces compared to only ONE (1) by Justine.
Justine's serve percentage was 50%, while Serena was 63%.

And still, Justine won the match...

If Serena was not injured, the winner wouldn't be a Belgian...

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Re: If only Justine wouldn't have played that poorly...

I didn't read Serena's interview. Did she say she was 40%?
Justine was only 36% today.

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Getting my tread in the spotlight again.
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Re: If only Justine wouldn't have played that poorly...

Don't worry when Justine's nervous against someone she hits hella double faults and her shots become shaky. Serena is that type of opponent and for most of the match Justine played like crap because of who was across the net. Unfortunately Serena could barely hit a backhand and the only thing really keeping her in the match was her serve. Actually Justine should beaten injured Serena in two easy sets.
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Re: If only Justine wouldn't have played that poorly...

omg what a desperate thread

I'm not young enough to know everything.
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