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post #1 of 43 (permalink) Old Jul 4th, 2002, 05:34 PM Thread Starter
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John Mcenroe and Chris and Mary Carillo...(williams fans only)

LMAO, they are so obvious when they comment on the WTA. I laugh and wonder at their meaning behind their words when they keep saying OVER and OVER, that the WTA tour needs Lindsay and Hingis to compete against the Williams sisters??? They keep bringing this up, as though those 2 are the savior of tennis?? I haven't heard this kind of DESPERATE talk of injured WTA players to come back and compete EVER? When Venus was out for 6 months and it was Lindsay/Hingis all the time, there were no commentators "crying out for help". Wanting Venus to DESPERATLY get back and compete with Hingis and Lindsay??

Now okay, sure the tour needs Lindsay and Hingis, but it's not like either one of them has been spanking Venus or Serena lately? So what in the hell are they taking about when they keep refering to Hingis, Lindsay and Jennifer as the players that can compete with them? I find this rude to the other WTA players. Frankly I think so many other players can beat Venus and Serena. Justine,Kim and Daniela are imho more prone to beat them then Hingis(don't make me laugh) and Lindsay (at the moment).

I find the media masses very biased, they are so obvious with their dislike of Venus and Serena at the top. John, Chris,Mary C, and whoever , HAD NO PROBLEM WITH THE FOLLOWING PLAYERS "DOMINATING" the GAME.

Martina Hingis
Lindsay Davenport
Andre Agassi
Lleyton Hewitt
Pete Sampras(he won how many wimby's) LMAO!!
Steffi Graf
Jennifer Capriati-even though she has not beaten Venus.


I find it biased that NOW that Venus and Serena are #1 and #2 and made the French Open final that alot of commentators are DESPERATLY wishing for them to get some competion. It's like they can't stand the fact that two sista's are at the top of the game. I mean Hell, it won't last forever so why can't they just enjoy the moment in history, and let these two women succeed and dominate without feeling the NEED, to stop them? Some folks just really make me laugh. So ignorant. so very ignorant.


Well anyway, this kind of bias just won't get me down, because there is way too much to celebrate here, Venus made her third final and Serena is the #1 player for the first time ever in the entire world. Heck Chanda is playing well and is doing great with Anna in doubles.

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Dawn Marie, I know what you mean...I found myself saying shut-up to Chrissy and John several times throughout this championship

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Dawn, you know the deal. It is pathetic how they call it domination when our girls have only been Number 1 and 2 for ONLY a month. It is clear they don't want our girls to be the top two players.

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Oh my God, me too! Me, my sister, and my cousin were watching together, we kept screaming for them to shut the hell up too! They're so obvious!
My sister says, now Vee and Rena are #1 and 2, she hope they play all the remaining Tier 1 together, just to piss them off. I mean the girls only play 5 tournaments together and still people won't leave them alone. These people better count their lucky star that there'll be no other all Williams final until the US Open!

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Sam/Gumbycat you are correct I do know the deal, but it is sad to realize that tennis hasn't changed all that much from 40 years ago. People should relish this time in tennis history instead of looking and hoping for ways to bring two exciting players down. Personally I think Chris, John and Mary C are not people who actually appreciate good solid tennis. I think their hate and bias overrides their desire for the sport. They are 3 sad people, and I wish they would stop dissing the rest of the players on the tour as well. I mean DAYUM, Maureen Drake took a set off Venus, so what is she "chopped liver"? The tour has many quality players, if they would only look beneath their upturned noses, they would stop HOPING and PLEADING in their commentaries that ONLY Jen, Hingis and Lindsay are the 3 that can compete with them. It is so not true. They would be better off if they just relax and enjoy the tennis they are watching.

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I completely agree with you, Dawn Marie. It's possible Lindsay could come back and help make things a little more interesting- she came back very fast from injury last year- but HINGIS? Tell me, what was Hingis doing last year to stop the Williams sisters? Hmmmmm....I think I'll go watch my tape of the U.S. Open semi again just to see how confident and competitive Hingis looked....oh wait.....I guess she looked more like a whipped puppy.

I think it's interesting that last year this time everyone was getting so gung-ho about the possibility of Jennifer sweeping the Slams- getting a Grand Slam. I don't remember people saying, "Oh it would be so BAD for tennis if Jennifer won everything." But now they've got TWO dominant forces- not just one. So you think people would be a little happier! Ha.
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wah wah cry about it some more why don't you!
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I also agree with most of the posts above, I think that it is very sad that Venus & Serena don't get the credit they deserve. Neither Hingis nor Davenport were beating Serena or Venus consistently before they were injured.

Most of the media say the only reason why the sisters win is due to their power game. Venus came to the net several times during her match with Henin, does she get any credit for that! In my opinion Venus is the most mentally tough player on the tour, even when she is down and has the crowd cheering for her opponents she remains calm and focused and still pulls through but, all the commentators mention is her power and size.

As for the domination point, neither Venus nor Serena have dominated the tour as much as Navratilova, Graf, Seles or Hinigis in their Hay days. It's not like either of them have won all four tournaments.

I also think people should stop thinking of them as one player. What we really have is two great players who are at the top of the game. Just like Evert/Navratilova or Seles/Graf it just happens that these two are sisters.

I hope each of them actually do go on to dominate the tour and get a Grand Slam each.
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Sorry Dawn Marie, I respectfully disagree.

I remember many commentators wanting Venus back in the game when she was out.....but the problem was, Chrissie and John weren't on tv when she was out. It was during the spring hardcourt season when Pam Shriver and Mary Joe Fernandez were the main commentators. They both stated repeatedly how Venus was good for the game and if she was to retire (the rumors at time) it would be a great loss.

Just a side note - on the issue regarding Amelie being a lesbian, John McEnroe made me proud once again. He was not the only one to have the balls to say it on air that Amelie was a lesbian, but he also commended her (for the 3rd year in a row) for declaring who she is and not caring about it.


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I was laughing when they brought the "Mauresmo looks like a man thing"
John said that Lindsay meant by those comments that Mauresmo was "Strong" like a man , While Evert said that Hingis implyied that Mauresmo was "muscular" like a man
and all this during a long rally.

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We'll just agree to disagree.

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Some power game from Venus? She did not serve any Aces . Venus has an all court game.

BTW, Venus and Serena just won their Doubles Match

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I was suprised to hear Evert say that Serena was just going to "overpower" Mauresmo. I'm sorry but MAuresmo is bigger than Serena and hits just as hard. Serena may out-manuever someone like Mauresmo but overpower her?

"Overpower" is the most over-used word in reference to Venus and Serena's matches. There is never a mention of the angles, net play or superb placement of their serve and strokes in the match summaries. It gets old after a while.

Even more annoying than announcers like Evert are the insidious nature of a lot of the posts here. How many threads have there been since the french proclaiming how tennis is dying, or "I don't want a Williams final", or tennis is so boring right now? During the short-lived Hingis/Davenport domination were there as many posts decrying their appearances in the finals of tournaments? Women's tennis must be the only sport where the players are expected to evolve backwards. Anywhere else, the motto is faster, stronger, better. Here we have people whining that the players are too powerful and too fast. Go figure
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the same posters that state "I don't want another Williams/Williams final" /I'm not going to watch an all Williams final" are always commenting on how boring the matches are...yet they still watch and whine.....LOL!

Chris Evert and John McEnroe and Martina Navratilova were making some pretty decent comments regarding the tennis games of Venus and Serena---even suggesting what others could do to be more like them.

"They'll never win a grandslam title" LOL!
"They'll never be ranked #1" LOL!
"They'll never win a title on clay" LOL!
"All they do is hit hard" LOL!
"Venus will never win another Tier I title" LOL!
"Venus will never beat another top-5 player" LOL!
"Venus will never win another grand slam title" LOL!
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