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I've been thinking about the final and after the disappointment has faded I really have to say I admire Serena's fight and willpower. I'm not a fan but fair play to her. If she genuinely comes back and does well and isn't arrogant about it, then I'm cool with that. I think the way Justine played for nearly two sets was just great. She made Serena look bad. I think this match shows how much Henin has come since they last played. She is no longer below Serena.She's right up there with her. I said yesterday that Henin was still the best player. I don't know, maybe they are equal. There's no doubt that Henin has the more beautiful natural game, but Serenas fight is just great.

In the end, I hope this match is a sign of things to come. Can you imagine if these two played in a lot of finals this year, man would we be in for a treat. It was a good day for women's tennis yesterday. And I don't agree with people saying oh serena is coming back and making a mockery of the tour.She is a great champion so what else did people expect. Bring on the Henin Williams rivalry-it could be bloody fantastic this year


ps:how rude were the crowd yesterday-shouting at serena to wake up and move your feet-and then the heckler mid week-were are their manners!
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I'm not tryign to be rude...but baby it sounds like you are denial and still a little dissapointed.....anyway...just about everyone on this board respects Justine Henin I always have..and definately after yesterday (and she has improved)...but the best woman won out there yesterday..and there is no beating around the bush to it....I would say Serena played about 55% of her game...and Henin played about 85% of hers..it boiled down to determination and will...

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Justine came out blazing, winning all the key points for a set and half, then Serena dug deep down and pulled it off. Beauty and talent is a matter of taste, but both of the players had some exceptional points.

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I'm not tryign to be rude...but baby it sounds like you are denial and still a little dissapointed.....anyway...just about everyone on this board respects Justine Henin I always have..and definately after yesterday (and she has improved)...but the best woman won out there yesterday..and there is no beating around the bush to it....I would say Serena played about 55% of her game...and Henin played about 85% of hers..it boiled down to determination and will...
Justine played awesome yesterday, especially the first 1.5 sets... She just lost some big points then the situation was totally reversed

Yeah Serena played like shit in the 1st set, but she did great in the other two especially the third, plus she was better at those crutial points, that's what counts.. Definitely She was more than 55% The only reason which makes her seem not impressive was probably because justine's game kind of forced errors out of her. Justine was able to do much more than all serena's opponents in the previous rounds.
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She might have played about 60% in certian moments....but the first set had to be no more than 40%. I kept seeing classic Serena show up and then dissapear...she still isnt as moving as well as she use to...*that will take some time i think* and even though her ground strokes shaped up, Serena usually have more power to them...and she hit more shots down the line...she sent many of them across the court to try to kepe the ballin play...also her serve was not well established yesterday too

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I see in this tourney she is way better than in AO for sure, everything including the move.
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Don't think so. Justine's Melting down after wasting two match points helps Serena a lot. Before that, Justine was totally in control.

Serena played much better than AO, every of her opponent before final got less points than AO. I don't think she is below 40% in the first set. Justine does't give her rhythm, make her errors.
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I've been thinking about the final and after the disappointment has faded I really have to say I admire Serena's fight and willpower. I'm not a fan but fair play to her. If she genuinely comes back and does well and isn't arrogant about it, then I'm cool with that. I think the way Justine played for nearly two sets was just great. She made Serena look bad. I think this match shows how much Henin has come since they last played. She is no longer below Serena.She's right up there with her. I said yesterday that Henin was still the best player. I don't know, maybe they are equal. There's no doubt that Henin has the more beautiful natural game, but Serenas fight is just great.

In the end, I hope this match is a sign of things to come. Can you imagine if these two played in a lot of finals this year, man would we be in for a treat. It was a good day for women's tennis yesterday. And I don't agree with people saying oh serena is coming back and making a mockery of the tour.She is a great champion so what else did people expect. Bring on the Henin Williams rivalry-it could be bloody fantastic this year


ps:how rude were the crowd yesterday-shouting at serena to wake up and move your feet-and then the heckler mid week-were are their manners!

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i was by no means a Serena fan in the past but I am now, that's what the final showed me. I feel Henin played to her limit and she almost won, but I can't help but feel Serena was having one of the worst performances of her life for most of the match. She literally gave away the first set, I've never seen Serena play so bad honestly, I thought she was having one of those days women have once in a while. She started with 4 backhand errors and youcould see she had trouble moving and setting up her groundstrokes. But she found a way to beat the world number one, and that sums it up. The other time I saw Serena playing this bad was that LA match against Davenport in 2004 which she lost 1 and 3. It's pretty obvious who the best player of that generation is

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Don't think so. Justine's Melting down after wasting two match points helps Serena a lot. Before that, Justine was totally in control.

Serena played much better than AO, every of her opponent before final got less points than AO. I don't think she is below 40% in the first set. Justine does't give her rhythm, make her errors.
Ahmmm THINK SO...can you honstly lie and tell me that Serena's game was better than the AO? First off...her serve was no where near as on as it was that the australian..Justine took full advantage of Serena's sluggish start..her serve percentage was way low compared to the australian, and Serena hit a lot of unforced errors. Justine stats showed bascially same throughout the match...she really didnt have a meltdown...Serena RAISED her game, less errors,stronger serve, and returns...Justine started to see the Classic Serena across the net...then...not the shabby out of shape Serena she was playing the first set and a half...

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I think Serena is in much better form than in Australia...today's match was just that Justine wasn't giving Serena the rythm she likes...Justine was slicing, giving her those annoying no pace balls...and Serena couldn't adapt to that in the 1st set, after that she adapted and started to play the big points better.

Her serve got better too...specially the second serve, kick serve to Henin's backhand was huge.

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Don't think so. Justine's Melting down after wasting two match points helps Serena a lot. Before that, Justine was totally in control.

Serena played much better than AO, every of her opponent before final got less points than AO. I don't think she is below 40% in the first set. Justine does't give her rhythm, make her errors.
Actually Justine wasn't.
In the second set the dictating of rallies went Serena's way.
Justine first serve pecentage went down.
Justine slice started to be more defensive and helped Serena to get into net something that Serena wasn't really able to do at all in the first set.
Justine let up a bit and Serena stepped it up and Justine started to feel the pressure.
Again serving out a match against Serena might even be harder than serving out a match against Steffi Graf in her prime.

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Ahmmm THINK SO...can you honstly lie and tell me that Serena's game was better than the AO? First off...her serve was no where near as on as it was that the australian..Justine took full advantage of Serena's sluggish start..her serve percentage was way low compared to the australian, and Serena hit a lot of unforced errors. Justine stats showed bascially same throughout the match...she really didnt have a meltdown...Serena RAISED her game, less errors,stronger serve, and returns...Justine started to see the Classic Serena across the net...then...not the shabby out of shape Serena she was playing the first set and a half...
Serena was def. playing better in the early rounds. She was erratic in the final. Sometimes she was great and sometimes she was slow, bad footwork and just missing on her backhand. The fact that she was struggling with her backhand, her most consistent ground stroke and her serve which is her biggest weapon shows me she was not playign well. But she def. stepped it up in the 3rd set and late in the secnod set. Still she wasn't playing well, just good enough. But Justine's game def. dropped during the 2nd and 3rd set. She was missing much more forehands and backhands. She missed a lot of down the line shots she was making very easily in the first and parts of the second set. Justine's errors allowed Serena claw back in to the match.
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Ahmmm THINK SO...can you honstly lie and tell me that Serena's game was better than the AO? First off...her serve was no where near as on as it was that the australian..Justine took full advantage of Serena's sluggish start..her serve percentage was way low compared to the australian, and Serena hit a lot of unforced errors. Justine stats showed bascially same throughout the match...she really didnt have a meltdown...Serena RAISED her game, less errors,stronger serve, and returns...Justine started to see the Classic Serena across the net...then...not the shabby out of shape Serena she was playing the first set and a half...
Serena's first serve percentage stayed around 60 percent all match.
Justine is a better overall returner than any player Serena played at the Australian.
If Serena's returns could be compared to Agassi than Justine's returns can be compared to Federer.

Justine gets almost every ball back on returns and then there's something on it.

I wouldn't call what Justine had a meltdown but I wouldn't just say that Serena was the only factor in that change.
Justine couldn't keep up the game she had in the first set some of it due to Serena and some of it due to herself.
Justine stopped coming to net at opportunistic times.

Even at 5-4 , when she had that lob she should have been right at net waiting for the reply which was not going to be as hard as Serena's other shots.
She stays at the baseline and the backhand goes right in the net.

There were other times in that set where she should have came in on pretty easy shots (at least 10) but she didn't.

And it's not like either has respect for the others net passing abilities which I think is odd especially in Serena's case.

She had some brain farts. Justine has the best passes in the game and Serena came on some just ok approach shots to Justine's backhand.

Justine also stopped going for the down the line backhand which helps for her to open up the court with her tendency to go crosscourt or the middle of the court.

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Actually, Justine was choked, she dictated the play till 5-4, 40-15.

After she wasted her matchpoint and slipped. She was totally different and tight. She lost 6 games in a row without a lot of resistance.

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Actually Justine wasn't.
In the second set the dictating of rallies went Serena's way.
Justine first serve pecentage went down.
Justine slice started to be more defensive and helped Serena to get into net something that Serena wasn't really able to do at all in the first set.
Justine let up a bit and Serena stepped it up and Justine started to feel the pressure.
Again serving out a match against Serena might even be harder than serving out a match against Steffi Graf in her prime.
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