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Mary Joe Fernandez was a talented player, but lacked the strength to dictate play. Her forehand was considered average on tour and not of the same caliber as the elite players. However she showed good mechanics on her backhand, often played high percentage tennis (better shot selection than her opponents), and was willing to grind out a match if she had to. Although I don't think she was the best player never to win a grandslam event, she is in the conversation. I think Amanda Coetzer, who reached a career high of # 4 in the world in 1997 and finished #11 in the world twice was a little bit better player and she never won a grandslam either. I remember that Jana Novotna won Wimbledon near the end of her career. So I would vote for Coetzer.
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Coetzer was no.3 in November 97, she never reached a GS final...
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Ever heard of Sukova ?
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Mary Joe Fernandez was a talented player, but lacked the strength to dictate play. Her forehand was considered average on tour and not of the same caliber as the elite players. However she showed good mechanics on her backhand, often played high percentage tennis (better shot selection than her opponents), and was willing to grind out a match if she had to. Although I don't think she was the best player never to win a grandslam event, she is in the conversation. I think Amanda Coetzer, who reached a career high of # 4 in the world in 1997 and finished #11 in the world twice was a little bit better player and she never won a grandslam either. I remember that Jana Novotna won Wimbledon near the end of her career. So I would vote for Coetzer.

MJ was a good play and had a few chances to win a slam. She just didn't have that extra special thing to get the win. Plus she played along side Martina 1 & 2, Graf, Seles, Williams sisters, and Linds so getting a slam with these ladies around was very hard.

I don't agree that Amanda was a better player. Amanda had speed and was a fighter but over all she was one dimensional. MJ was an all around player. She could get it done from the baseline and also finish things off at the net. When u compare their careers the results speak for themselves.

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Mary Joe Fernandez was a talented player, but lacked the strength to dictate play. Her forehand was considered average on tour and not of the same caliber as the elite players. However she showed good mechanics on her backhand, often played high percentage tennis (better shot selection than her opponents), and was willing to grind out a match if she had to. Although I don't think she was the best player never to win a grandslam event, she is in the conversation. I think Amanda Coetzer, who reached a career high of # 4 in the world in 1997 and finished #11 in the world twice was a little bit better player and she never won a grandslam either. I remember that Jana Novotna won Wimbledon near the end of her career. So I would vote for Coetzer.
Oh please shut up. You don´t have any argument to say Amanda was any better than Fernandez. Mary Joe reached 3 grand slam finals and beat great players. And you probably never saw her play, she had an all court game and had a nice forehand and backhand, all around she was very complete.

Amanda´s boring and retrieving game bought 3 wins from an ailing Graf in 1999, but beyond that she lacked the game to win a grand slam.
Just need to remmember her matches with Conchita at Roland Garros 97 or Usopen 1998 to get an idea of how boring of a player she was.

Mary Joe for her part had Graf on the ropes at Roland Garros 1993 in the final, twice up a break in the third set and lost, but she was a much more complete player than Amanda and for sure she was closer to a grand slam title and reached the latter rounds of the majors much more often than little Amanda.

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Coetzer was no.3 in November 97, she never reached a GS final...
Coetzer´s 3 in the world in 1997 was so false and product of some fluky draws, but everybody knew that she was not the third best player in the world back then. Pretty much ala number 5 in the world finish that Conchita had in 2000.

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Record against the best players
Sabatini 40% Martinez 21%
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Mary Joe Fernandez, Helena Sukova and Andrea Jaeger in recent history, Elizabeth Ryan if you look at tennis' entire history I guess. I'm sure there must be others that deserved to win one, but didn't.
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Mary Joe actually had a fantastic forehand. One of the most classic shots in tennis in my opinion. And of course her backhand was beautiful as well. Textbook shots that were both featured in tennis magazines "classic shots" at different points in time.
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Re: Do you think Mary Joe Fernandez is/was the best player never to win a grandslam?

If you consider who wanted to win a Grand Slam, I would say Sukova.
If you consider who should have won a Grand Slam, I would say Jaegar.

Sukova made it to four grand slam finals.
I think her best chance came in 1984 when she beat 3 top 5 seeds including Navratilova but couldn't beat Evert on grass.
She played a long time for tennis players and even has an effect on tennis now.
There might not be any validity to Anna Kournikova today if Sukova would have beaten her in 1997 in the fourth round at Wimbledon.
She still had some game on grass but just couldn't get over that hump of underachieving on the grass of Wimbledon.

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Just need to remmember her matches with Conchita at Roland Garros 97 or Usopen 1998 to get an idea of how boring of a player she was.
OMG.
That match was so awful I still remember it, US Open 1998.
I was cleaning my room and it was a windy day in NYC.
Wind and the games of Conchita and Amanda just don't mix.
So I had finished cleaning my room which took a few hours and the match was still on and going at snail's pace.
Neither player wanted to attack.
Both players acted as if the net was fashioned of a toxic poision.
So it was the attack of the moonballs with wind.
The balls took forever to come down.
I started wondering if somehow Amanda and Martinez had found the only blue colored clay court in NYC and were playing their US Open match on that.
It was the first and only time I begged Mary Carillo to talk as much as possible and she did.
Her comments about being surprised it didn't rain after all these balls going in the upper atmosphere were hilarious.
The balls were going so high some left the view of the backcourt camera.
It was the only time I considered that the winner of the match beat their opponent by boring them to death.

It was the worse conditions and matchup.
Coezter can be quite entertaining.
Martinez though can be quite depressing when she's losing and she has a tendency to stretch out that depression in a match forever.
The finals of Roland Garros in 2000 was just so weird.
I just felt bad for Mary because it was like Martinez leeched some of her happiness from winning on that court that day.

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Oh I loved Anke she always did well at the Aus (Reaching the final and semis) and she did make the semis of the FO where Graf crushed her.


I'd like to throw in Kimiko Date. She had Graf on the ropes in the semis of Wemby but the match was called do to light and of course the urging of Graf.

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OMG.
That match was so awful I still remember it, US Open 1998.
I was cleaning my room and it was a windy day in NYC.
Wind and the games of Conchita and Amanda just don't mix.
So I had finished cleaning my room which took a few hours and the match was still on and going at snail's pace.
Neither player wanted to attack.
Both players acted as if the net was fashioned of a toxic poision.
So it was the attack of the moonballs with wind.
The balls took forever to come down.
I started wondering if somehow Amanda and Martinez had found the only blue colored clay court in NYC and were playing their US Open match on that.
It was the first and only time I begged Mary Carillo to talk as much as possible and she did.
Her comments about being surprised it didn't rain after all these balls going in the upper atmosphere were hilarious.
The balls were going so high some left the view of the backcourt camera.
It was the only time I considered that the winner of the match beat their opponent by boring them to death.

It was the worse conditions and matchup.
Coezter can be quite entertaining.
Martinez though can be quite depressing when she's losing and she has a tendency to stretch out that depression in a match forever.
The finals of Roland Garros in 2000 was just so weird.
I just felt bad for Mary because it was like Martinez leeched some of her happiness from winning on that court that day.
Not only that, but having the precedent of ROland Garros 1997 of Martinez-Coetzer they scheduled Pierce-Venus in the Grand Stand at the same time instead of the Staduim

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Sabatini vs Martinez ?
Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 9
Straight Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 6
Seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 5
Straight seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 4
Tier II and above titles
Sabatini 24 Martinez 17
Record at the Masters
Sabatini has 2 titles 2 Runner up and 3 SF
Martinez has 0 titles, 0 RU, and 0 Sf
Record against the best players
Sabatini 40% Martinez 21%
Head to Head
Sabatini leads 9-6 over Martinez
FWTT Hard 111(111 + ny)Carpet 104(104 + ny)Clay 107(107 + 4) Grass 100(100 ny)
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