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They Are At It Again: The Ethnic Ausies

Every year at this time, we see play out the same ethnic striffe in
the stands at the Ausie Open.
Regardless of whether the player is Australian or not.

This is one reason I never like about the Ausie Open.
For some reasons, Ausie tennis fans seem to favor
their country of origin over their current nationality.
They are still fighting the old fight from the "Old" respective countries they came from.
Croats vs. Serbs; Greeks vs. Turks; Brazilians vs. Argentinians; etc..

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MELBOURNE, Australia -- Croatian and Serbian spectators kicked each other and used flag poles as weapons during brief scuffles Monday at the Australian Open.
Police and private security guards at the year's first Grand Slam event ejected 150 people from the Melbourne Park venue after the violence, which organizers, players and community leaders condemned.
Police said no injuries were reported and no arrests were made.
Two groups of mostly male youths dressed in the colors of the former rivals in a bitter early-1990s war chanted slogans and yelled insults at each other near a lawn area where a giant television screen is set up for spectators.
News photographs and footage recorded on mobile phones of the incident showed youths kicking each other and using large hand-held flags as batons. Australian television showed police, some of them with batons drawn, marching supporters out of the venue and escorting them out of the area on trains.
"While we are happy for fans to come along and support their favorite player, decisive action will be taken if any patrons or groups cross the line of acceptable behavior at this family event," Tennis Australia chief Steve Wood said in a statement.
Serbian and Croatian community groups blamed each other for the trouble.
Tom Starcevic, secretary of the Croatian Community Association in Victoria state, said witnesses told him that Serbs provoked the dispute by chanting "Die, Croat, die."
Toma Banjanin, president of the Serbian Cultural Club, blamed Croatian supporters for provoking the incident, accusing them of "mixing politics with sport."
Serbia and Croatia were involved in a brutal war in the early 1990s as the former Yugoslavia crumbled. In Australia, the Croatian and Serbian communities both number in the hundreds of thousands.
Serbian player Jelena Jankovic, a U.S. Open semifinalist last year, said ethnic divisions had no place at the tournament, but that such incidents occurred more in Melbourne -- one of Australia's most mixed-ethnic cities -- than elsewhere on the tennis circuit.
"I think just here in Melbourne that there is this kind of problem," she said. "Anywhere else in the world it's fine.
"I don't like when they are fighting against each other and kind of booing the other player just because they are from some other country," she said. "I think that's not fair."
Croatia's Mario Ancic, seeded ninth in the men's draw, said he wasn't aware of Monday's disturbance.
Authorities tightened security at the venue, with Croatian Marin Cilic due to play against Serbia's Ilia Bozoljac in a first-round men's match Tuesday.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

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Sad. I was wondering if any players had commented. You have pride in sports but fights and hatred that mix in racism and hatred don't mix or belong in sport.

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well last year when i went to the open Croatian and greeks had a fight and then about 100 croatian's went to watch jelena jankovic play and made trouble.This is tennis not some war both serbs and cros make me sick.......

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Sad. I was wondering if any players had commented. You have pride in sports but fights and hatred that mix in racism and hatred don't mix or belong in sport.
Serb's plea to unruly fans
By Paul Malone

January 16, 2007 12:00


WORLD No. 11 Jelena Jankovic yesterday pleaded with her fans not to boo opponents at the Australian Open.

In the wake of yesterday's amazing scenes, when Serbian and Croatian fans faced off at Melbourne Park, Serbian Jankovic took a stand against the troublemakers.

"I don't like when they are fighting against each other and kind of booing the other player just because they are from some other country. I think that's not fair," Jankovic said after her 6-3 6-3 first- round win over Canadian Aleksandra Woszniak.

And Jankovic put the blame firmly on Australian fans of Serbian and Croatian heritage, saying she had never witnessed scenes like yesterday's anywhere in the world.

"I think just here in Melbourne that there is this kind of problem. I don't know what it is," she said.

"Anywhere else in the world it's fine when you play a Croatian girl or there's matches (between players who are) Serbian and Croatian.

"The game should just be fair and they should clap for good points and support the player they like."


At the Sydney International last week, Jankovic fans booed the popular Kim Clijsters, her opponent in the final.

Yesterday the crowd that followed the heavy-hitting Serbian was considerably quieter as she cruised past Woszniak.

There might be an easy explanation for that though. About four hours earlier, about 150 spectators – some wearing Serbian and Croatian national colours – were ejected from the tournament by police after a brawl broke out as the rival fans traded insults just outside the Rod Laver Arena.

Police later said there were no arrests or injuries, although one fan was reported to have been hurt after being hit over the head with a flagpole.

Rivalry between the two nations has often been seen at soccer matches in Australia, but this is the first time the bad feeling has spilled into tennis.

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Serb's plea to unruly fans
By Paul Malone

January 16, 2007 12:00


WORLD No. 11 Jelena Jankovic yesterday pleaded with her fans not to boo opponents at the Australian Open.

In the wake of yesterday's amazing scenes, when Serbian and Croatian fans faced off at Melbourne Park, Serbian Jankovic took a stand against the troublemakers.

"I don't like when they are fighting against each other and kind of booing the other player just because they are from some other country. I think that's not fair," Jankovic said after her 6-3 6-3 first- round win over Canadian Aleksandra Woszniak.

And Jankovic put the blame firmly on Australian fans of Serbian and Croatian heritage, saying she had never witnessed scenes like yesterday's anywhere in the world.

"I think just here in Melbourne that there is this kind of problem. I don't know what it is," she said.

"Anywhere else in the world it's fine when you play a Croatian girl or there's matches (between players who are) Serbian and Croatian.

"The game should just be fair and they should clap for good points and support the player they like."

At the Sydney International last week, Jankovic fans booed the popular Kim Clijsters, her opponent in the final.

Yesterday the crowd that followed the heavy-hitting Serbian was considerably quieter as she cruised past Woszniak.

There might be an easy explanation for that though. About four hours earlier, about 150 spectators – some wearing Serbian and Croatian national colours – were ejected from the tournament by police after a brawl broke out as the rival fans traded insults just outside the Rod Laver Arena.

Police later said there were no arrests or injuries, although one fan was reported to have been hurt after being hit over the head with a flagpole.

Rivalry between the two nations has often been seen at soccer matches in Australia, but this is the first time the bad feeling has spilled into tennis.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...01023,00.html#
So I will ask, again , what is about Australia that excerbate these ethnic brawls?
Certainly, there are immigrants countries like USA, Britain, France , but you rarely see this kind of fight at these 3 majors.

I raised this before one of the reason I did not like Ausie,
but understanbly got a lot of flakc from Ausie fans on the board.

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I don't think it would be any different in the United States. The Italian students at my school still went crazy when Italy won the World Cup, even though most of them have never even been to Italy or speak a word of Italian. Ethnic and nationalistic identity is a big deal to many people.
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So I will ask, again , what is about Australia that excerbate these ethnic brawls?
Certainly, there are immigrants countries like USA, Britain, France , but you rarely see this kind of fight at these 3 majors.

I raised this before one of the reason I did not like Ausie,
but understanbly got a lot of flakc from Ausie fans on the board.
Just a question about your terminology: If the Croats, Serbs, Greeks, Turks; Brazilians, Argentinians etc are examples of "ethnic" Australians, who exactly are the unethnic Australians? Who are the people without an ethnicity? The Australians of Anglo-Saxon descent, perhaps?
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In England, they let a guy take his clothes off and run around on the court.
This is a matter of having security at the tournaments, or this stuff happens.

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So I will ask, again , what is about Australia that excerbate these ethnic brawls?
Certainly, there are immigrants countries like USA, Britain, France , but you rarely see this kind of fight at these 3 majors.

I raised this before one of the reason I did not like Ausie,
but understanbly got a lot of flakc from Ausie fans on the board.
I think you need to understand that this kind of thing happens everywhere. Big deal if it doesn't happen at the US Open, RG or Wimbledon then it'll happen at some other sporting event in those countries. There's nothing "about Australia" that makes this happen, because these kind of things happen wherever you go, i'm afraid.

goldenlox, they have security the the AO, and that's why the situation was handled so efficiantly.

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Just a question about your terminology: If the Croats, Serbs, Greeks, Turks; Brazilians, Argentinians etc are examples of "ethnic" Australians, who exactly are the unethnic Australians? Who are the people without an ethnicity? The Australians of Anglo-Saxon descent, perhaps?
I just named the one who have been making news at the Ausie open.

I cerainly see Sweedish, Swis, German, Israeli, South African, Indian flags,
these group have not make the same kind of regretable news.

But seriously and objectively, the Anglo-Saxons (see English in case of Australia) who are usually the majority, therfore fully established(due to distant past and/or intermarriage) do not tend to peldge strident loyalties to the "old" country as much.

Althought this may change in time of wars, like it did with some Germans
in the US during WWII.

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its so easy to criticize a tournament when u are on the other side of the world

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Are you trying to make a point or something?
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i think to say that thse ethnic tensions are something unique to Australia is quite absurd. Compared to our population Australia has a higher ratio of Serbs/Croats/Greeks than anywhere else outside their homelands (even higher specifically in Melbourne). The vast majority came here to escape cultural conflict (not as much the Greeks maybe).

You just have to look at the way Dokic was treated in Zagreb to know it's not something just about Australia.

Yes maybe the traditional Australian culture does conflict with there's and bring out the worst in people but i also think it's undeniable that they are extremely nationalistic people in general and when you add sport and alcohol to that equation it's never going to be pretty.
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I think you need to understand that this kind of thing happens everywhere. Big deal if it doesn't happen at the US Open, RG or Wimbledon then it'll happen at some other sporting event in those countries. There's nothing "about Australia" that makes this happen, because these kind of things happen wherever you go, i'm afraid.
I not think it happens everywhere you.
You just acknowldeged yourself it does not happen at RG, Wimbledon, or US Open.

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Every year at this time, we see play out the same ethnic striffe in
the stands at the Ausie Open.
Regardless of whether the player is Australian or not.
Correct me if I am wrong, but when has this ever happened at the AO before? I've never seen fans of two nations break out in a fight before, and I have been to the AO in the past. How can you say it happens every year?

Some countries do have tensions between them, its not just something that only happens in Australia. Perhaps it occurs more here because we are a very multicultural country.

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