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Williams is Lost Cause (Pat Cash Article)

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Williams is lost cause

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For all her talk, Serena Williams will never return to the top again

IF ANYBODY is qualified to make deluded statements about tennis, it is a former world No 1 and winner of seven Grand Slam titles. But when Serena Williams arrives in Australia on her first foreign playing trip in a year and announces that it is only a matter of time before she is again dominating the sport, it’s time to tell her to get real.

Tennis is unforgiving. You can’t let it slide down the list of priorities, only to realise suddenly that playing the sport was what you wanted to do all along. Many have tried to turn back the clock, but nearly all have failed. That list includes Bjorn Borg, John McEnroe, Martina Hingis and, for different reasons, Monica Seles.

Admittedly this quartet experienced some success. The exploits of Hingis reaffirm the belief that a good champion never completely loses the gift, but she has gone only a fraction of the way and the No 1 ranking she held for a couple of years is far out of reach. Why? Tennis moved on in her absence.

The only players I can recall who let things slip, only to climb back to the top, were Andre Agassi and Jennifer Capriati. Williams should ask herself if she has the same dedication. And is she prepared to make the sacrifices? The answer is obvious.

As the saying so often used by McEnroe goes: “The older I get, the better player I used to be.” I take issue with Mac over many things, but not the merits of those words.

Williams may be in better physical shape this year than when she pitched up for the 2006 Australian Open, but her three matches in Hobart last week were her first in tournament play since the US Open almost four months ago. Add to that the fact that last year she opted not to play outside the US after losing in the third round in Melbourne and you cannot fail to agree that her application is lacking.

The Williams sisters changed the face of women’s tennis, taking power play to previously unimaginable levels. They blazed everybody else out of their path. But Serena clearly has a limited attention span. At her peak she had no patience in the way she played her tennis. Now she does not appear to have the fortitude to stick at what she is trying to do.

I never experienced a fraction of the success and dominance that she enjoyed, but there came a time in my career when everything associated with being a top player seemed suffocating. I wanted to do different things and the thought of heading to the practice court seemed like purgatory. Eventually I realised how much tennis meant to me and tried to make up for lost time, but although the spirit was willing, the body was not. And it made for years of frustration.

In the same way I maintained that my main interest was aspiring to be a rock musician for a couple of years, Williams said she was an actress. She also got involved in the fashion world and seemed to love every second of it. Good on her. She is entitled to do whatever she wants, and if it made her happy, what more could she ask?

Everybody knows she and Venus had no real choice when their father, Richard, decided that much of their childhood would be spent hitting tennis balls. Who can be surprised that this promotes a desire to do something different? But to make such a crass statement on her arrival in Australia was an insult to Amelie Mauresmo and Maria Sharapova, who have risen to the top of the game in her absence.

They are the new winning breed. They are tall and hit the ball just as hard as the Williams sisters, if not harder. Coming through are Jelena Jankovic, Nicole Vaidisova and Ana Ivanovic, who possess similar firepower and just need a little more experience.

There is so much more depth to the women’s game nowadays. No longer do we disregard the first week of a Grand Slam as a warm-up for the real confrontations that are to come.

I still don’t expect too many upsets before the quarter-finals, but neither do I expect Serena Williams, currently the world’s 81st-ranked player, with eight Americans above her in the rankings, to be in the mix at the sharp end of the tournament.

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interesting....it's an opinon....one that I VEHEMENTLY disagree with, but hey, I mean life is all about aspiration breaking the serve of expectation so go Ree! Prove HIM wrong too..

wait, wait, isn't this the SAME Pat Cash that said Rogi had to balls and he'd never beat Rafa again? I think someone wants some attention.

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Isn't this the same Pat Cash that said the women didn't deserve as much money as they make?

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he's just mad because Serena did more in the span of 2 years than he did in his whole career.

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Not surprisingly, Williams fans, instead of actually reading the article, stick to posting "Isn't this the same Pat Cash that blah blah", because it requires much less thinking. Else they might come to the conclusion that this article is spot on.
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Not surprisingly, Williams fans, instead of actually reading the article, stick to posting "Isn't this the same Pat Cash that blah blah", because it requires much less thinking. Else they might come to the conclusion that this article is spot on.
And not surprisingly Williams bashers simply by the title spin that broken record and agree with any negativity associated with the Williams sisters. Spot on.

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i kind of have to agree with him. it may be a little harsh but if serena hasnt being putting in the work and with her current physical condition it doesnt look like she has then how can she be expected to win grand slams. grand slams is about talent and hard work not about talent alone. im not saying serena doesnt know this as im sure she does. but i just dont think she is willing to put the work in because why would she when she can go to the oscars and gala parties and be an actrress. tennis is much more hard work than that and serenas been working hard all her life. so in a way she is well deserved of this break. but if she doesnt get herself into tip top shape and start becoming a major threat in grand slams by the end of this year start of next year i dont think she ever will. i have great respect for serena but really she should get back out on the court and stay there barring more injuries otherwise pack it in cause its no good for her or her fans to be losing to players that most people have never heard of and im sure thats not the legacy she wants to leave behind. so she needs to make a decision she has the talent to get back to the top but she needs to work very hard to get back up there with the likes of sharapova justine and mauresmo.

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"[w]hen Serena Williams arrives in Australia on her first foreign playing trip in a year and announces that it is only a matter of time before she is again dominating the sport, it’s time to tell her to get real....Tennis moved on in her absence....As the saying so often used by McEnroe goes: “The older I get, the better player I used to be” ....[t]o make such a crass statement on her arrival in Australia was an insult to Amelie Mauresmo and Maria Sharapova, who have risen to the top of the game in her absence....They are the new winning breed. They are tall and hit the ball just as hard as the Williams sisters, if not harder. Coming through are Jelena Jankovic, Nicole Vaidisova and Ana Ivanovic, who possess similar firepower and just need a little more experience.

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And not surprisingly Williams bashers simply by the title spin that broken record and agree with any negativity associated with the Williams sisters. Spot on.
Why don't you offer some constructive criticism of the article then?

In this case Pat Cash IS in a very good position to talk because he has been in a similar situation. And he explains it very well.
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Much as I HATE Pat Cash, that article was actually not so bad!

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Why don't you offer some constructive criticism of the article then?
My constructive criticism goes far and beyond this article because it's in my postings even before this season kicked off and continues to be. Many a Serena fan has shown their doubt to varying degrees and levels if Serena could be back to the player that she once was and have given the reasons why. It's convenient to people such as yourself to simply make a blanket statement and paint all Serena fans with one brush as blind loyalists who won't hear a word of disagreement regarding Serena. And that is not true. That is what I had a problem with. The article speaks to concerns and even has points I and others agree on. It's nothing new as is the consistent bashing that even Serena fans entertain.

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In this case Pat Cash IS in a very good position to talk because he has been in a similar situation. And he explains it very well.
Yes and if only you and others would equally read as closely some posts by Serena fans that don't fit into your agenda. Oh well.

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Since when did Pat Cash know anything????
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oh well Serena belives in herself, that's all that matters.

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As much as I love Serena, the guy has a point.
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