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Venus Williams: What To Expect In The Next 2 Years

Venus has been beleaguered by the same lingering injuries this past year.
As a result she has not played much tennis. And the rare events she has entered, she did not fare that well.

She is now 26, she will be 27 by the US open.
Realistically, what are her chances of being competitive again and be in the top 5?
I see two big factors that make it difficult, but not impossible to come back.
The length of time she has been out, and her age.
Not only does it take longer to get in shape and be competition fit, but one is more prone to injury at this age.

Fan, non-fan, neutral, please try to discuss this dispassionately, and objectively use the recent
past to inform the future.

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Venus has chances, look at lindsay, she came back and did it (even tho she choked at the big and important times, we know Venus can prove us wrong, she s just unlucky with injuries), and lets not forget about the movement. I think Venus can win more majors, she has had chances to win (RG 04, USO 05) think about it. Time is passing by and theres not time to look back. I still believe that V will have a good run. But lets face, her best years are in the past.

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She can do it its a whether of if she will or not
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Re: Venus Williams: What To Expect In The Next 2 Years

the last extended run of Venus Williams as an elite player was during the clay court season of 2004, when she won Charleston, Warsaw, and reached the final of Berlin before pulling out.

The loss against Clisters at USO 2005 was a decisive moment. It took away Venus's confidence, and made her realize once and for all that she couldn't be the best player in the world any more. Psychologically she has been sliding down the slope ever since that loss. Without a re-invigorated psyche (to say nothing of the nagging injuries), a return to the Top 5 is not possible.
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I don't think that she can comeback. Not cuz she can't outplay todays top five girls, but cuz of the injuries... There is no sing that she can get pass them for about one year and train like a mad man. Cuz she needs training more than anything.

I hope that she will make it, but chances aren't that bright...
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the last extended run of Venus Williams as an elite player was during the clay court season of 2004, when she won Charleston, Warsaw, and reached the final of Berlin before pulling out.

The loss against Clisters at USO 2005 was a decisive moment. It took away Venus's confidence, and made her realize once and for all that she couldn't be the best player in the world any more. Psychologically she has been sliding down the slope ever since that loss. Without a re-invigorated psyche (to say nothing of the nagging injuries), a return to the Top 5 is not possible.
Good analysis. I'm sure you meant to say "with the exception of Wimbledon 2005".

But it's true. The last time Venus was a great player, with that one exception, was almost three years ago now. Even when she won Wimbledon 2005, her victory over Davenport was far closer than I believe it would have been two or three years earlier. She had taken some of the power out of her game in favour of caution and reliance on her ability to chase and counter.

But I've seen her recently and, like her sister, she does not look healthy. I don't know whether "pale" would be the right word, hehe, but Venus' complexion, aside from the spots she never had until a few years ago, does not look as effervescent and salubrious. She seems to fatigue easily these days as well, even playing less than half as many matches.

In 2000-2003, the Williams sisters played a level of tennis which no female body could sustain. At Wimbledon 2005, Venus had begun to accept that fact by imparting more spin on her forehand. However, now her body seems to be unable to hold together for the duration of a tournament. It is doubtful that anything can be done to rectify this, particularly as Venus and Serena have not struck as being fully committed for a third of a decade now.
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I would expect retirement at the end of the year.

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I don't think that she will retire... It will be Monika Seleš case...
Not retiring until the last hope.
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the last extended run of Venus Williams as an elite player was during the clay court season of 2004, when she won Charleston, Warsaw, and reached the final of Berlin before pulling out.

The loss against Clisters at USO 2005 was a decisive moment. It took away Venus's confidence, and made her realize once and for all that she couldn't be the best player in the world any more. Psychologically she has been sliding down the slope ever since that loss. Without a re-invigorated psyche (to say nothing of the nagging injuries), a return to the Top 5 is not possible.
In 2005 Venus had the confidence and she was making good strides. That year she was in the finals of Warsaw, the Semi's of Miami, she just won a tier 3 tourney Istanbul, won Wimbledon, and made the finals of Stanford. Her confidence had just come back, but she missed the rest of the summer season because of the flu and thus she lacked the macth play to outlast Kim. She played pretty well at the 2005 US open. She also went on to beat Maria in a expo match a weeks later, before she injured her knee at the China open in 2005. If Venus can stay injury free she will be a top contender again.


To say Venus' loss at the US open in 05 took her confidence is not correct she has barely played since then, and actually returned last spring before she was healed, which caused more problems for her.

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The loss against Clisters at USO 2005 was a decisive moment. It took away Venus's confidence, and made her realize once and for all that she couldn't be the best player in the world any more.
Good point.

That crossed my mind at the time, but like any good fan, quickly dismissed the negative thought.
Looking back again, I agree it was a turning point.
Because she worked very hard that summer, physically or fitness wise to get ready for the US open.
Then she found out that best physcial preparedness was not enough.
Since that time, she has been unsteady and unsure of herslef.

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Venus has chances, look at lindsay, she came back and did it (even tho she choked at the big and important times, we know Venus can prove us wrong, she s just unlucky with injuries), and lets not forget about the movement. I think Venus can win more majors, she has had chances to win (RG 04, USO 05) think about it. Time is passing by and theres not time to look back. I still believe that V will have a good run. But lets face, her best years are in the past.
I agree with all you said, except
for the last sentence.

I personally think Venus is a wiser player on the
court these days. Yes, she doesn't hit the forehand or
serve with the authority and confidence she once use
to, but IMO that has more to do with the injury. Her lack
of consistent play never allows her to find her groove.

Venus still has the power and if you add health which leads
to more consistent play and more confidence, you've got her
definitely winning Slams once more.

What I love most about Venus is her mentality. Her parents
really raised her with a strong sense of belief that she is capable
of doing great things. And she still believes that she can, wants,
and is destined to win more big titles. I think she can do it.
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Good point.

That crossed my mind at the time, but quiclky dismissed from my mind a good fan.
Looking back again, I think it was a turning point.
Because she worked very hard that summer, physically or fitness wise to get ready for the US open. Then she found out that best physcial preparedness was not enough.
Since that time, she has been unsteady and unsure of herslef.
I don't think Venus was prepared for the US Open b/c she was sick and really didn't play most of the summer. You could tell she ran out of steam from lack of play b/c she was sweating like crazy and was winded a lot in the Kimmie match. She was def not in her best physcial condition at the US open 05.

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In 2005 Venus had the confidence and she was making good strides. That year she was in the finals of Warsaw, the Semi's of Miami, she just won a tier 3 tourney Istanbul, won Wimbledon, and made the finals of Stanford. Her confidence had just come back, but she missed the rest of the summer season because of the flu and thus she lacked the macth play to outlast Kim. She played pretty well at the 2005 US open. She also went on to beat Maria in a expo match a weeks later, before she injured her knee at the China open in 2005. If Venus can stay injury free she will be a top contender again.


To say Venus' loss at the US open in 05 took her confidence is not correct she has barely played since then, and actually returned last spring before she was healed, which caused more problems for her.
In 2005 in the final in Warsaw Justine def. Kuzy, Venus withdrew before the tournament started I believe. You confused 2005 with 2004. She won Istanbul in 2005 though.

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In 2005 in the final in Warsaw Justine def. Kuzy, Venus withdrew before the tournament started I believe. You confused 2005 with 2004. She won Istanbul in 2005 though.
Yeah I got confused I meant she made it to the finals of the Diamond games, I forgot what city it's in.

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A lot of great posts here I think it is reasonable to think she can comeback. She should either try to develop her one-handed backhand to avoid wrist surgery or get surgery and hope for the best.

If she gets surgery...it will sideline her for even longer. And sometimes with surgery on the wrist, the injury recurs again anyway. Maybe it would be in her best interest to use a one-handed backhand. She's a talented athlete. With enough practice I think she can be successful with a one-handed backhand. If Stevenson can learn how to use a one-handed backhand, i'm sure Venus can.

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