WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore - TennisForum.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 12:20 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
So Disrespectful's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 11,166
                     
WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

Everyone was claiming for quite some time last year that we had the strongest field of players ever. But when I look at the current rankings, I now see quite the opposite.

A number of players who can't string together more than two matches are still placed firmly in the top 25, but more surprisingly, tour veterans and tier 4 level players are starting to break further through for their highest rankings.

I don't know if anyone sees my point, but if someone is planning on really cracking the elite, now would be a good time to do so. When I look at the rankings, I see a huge gap between the very top players and those further back.

Daniela Hantuchova.

Casey Dellacqua, Jelena Jankovic, Anna-Lena Groenefeld,
Jelena Dokic, Mirjana Lucic, Sara Tomic, Sloane Stephens
Melanie Oudin, Kiki Bertens, Kaia Kanepi, Alison Riske
So Disrespectful is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 12:25 AM
Senior Member
 
Tennace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Earth
Posts: 12,602
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

I get what you mean. I remember the rankings back in 2002 (I think it was) were really strong. Maybe it is the new points system

NICOLE VAIDISOVA

Dokic - Hantuchova - Zakopalova - Minella - Szavay - Bammer - Safarova
Stanciute - Panova - Gubacsi - Cibulkova - Cirstea - Hofmanova - Cetkovska


Official Limo Driver of Don't Knock the Dok
Tennace is offline  
post #3 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 12:28 AM
Senior Member
 
goldenlox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: cyberspace
Posts: 97,858
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

What's the cutoff on "top players"?
Sveta is ranked #4, and I can see 20 or so players who can compete with her on most days.

The most wasted of all days is one without laughter....
Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there
Enjoy This Moment!!
HEALTH and HAPPINESS to EVERYONE

goldenlox is offline  
post #4 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 12:35 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
So Disrespectful's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 11,166
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

At the moment, look at the current state of some of our top 40 players. Bartoli, Hantuchova, Groenefeld, Myskina, Kirilenko, Pennetta, Bondarenko (who has a 3-8 slam record), Muller, Krajicek, Shaughnessy, Jackson, Likhovtseva.

I don't see any of these reaching the quarterfinals at tournaments consistently. They're basically hanging on to their rankings by a handful of uncharacteristic tournaments.

Daniela Hantuchova.

Casey Dellacqua, Jelena Jankovic, Anna-Lena Groenefeld,
Jelena Dokic, Mirjana Lucic, Sara Tomic, Sloane Stephens
Melanie Oudin, Kiki Bertens, Kaia Kanepi, Alison Riske
So Disrespectful is offline  
post #5 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 12:37 AM
Senior Member
 
goldenlox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: cyberspace
Posts: 97,858
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

Only 8 get to the quarters. The top 20 is loaded with players like Ivanovic and Jankovic and Vaidisova, Safina and Hantuchova.

The most wasted of all days is one without laughter....
Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there
Enjoy This Moment!!
HEALTH and HAPPINESS to EVERYONE

goldenlox is offline  
post #6 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 12:49 AM
Senior Member
 
Junex's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 3,135
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by iliketennis View Post
At the moment, look at the current state of some of our top 40 players. Bartoli, Hantuchova, Groenefeld, Myskina, Kirilenko, Pennetta, Bondarenko (who has a 3-8 slam record), Muller, Krajicek, Shaughnessy, Jackson, Likhovtseva.

I don't see any of these reaching the quarterfinals at tournaments consistently. They're basically hanging on to their rankings by a handful of uncharacteristic tournaments.
if you mean to refer to Top 40 players, i dnt see any issue regarding your statement i bolded.

do you really expect Top 40 players to be reaching the second week of slam (or quarters at tier 1) consistently?

Justine Henin - Unfinished Business "Wimbledon"


Sesil "the thunder" Karatantcheva
Vaidisova-Azarenka-Pavlyuchenkova-A&U Radwanska-Wozniacki-Cornet
Junex is offline  
post #7 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 12:51 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 6,898
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by iliketennis View Post

Everyone was claiming for quite some time last year that we had the strongest field of players ever.

not true. Nobody with any sense was claiming that. The overall quality of the Top 20 has been declining for several years, in the absence of a strong generation of young players to re-invigorate the tour.
vogus is offline  
post #8 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 12:54 AM
Senior Member
 
goldenlox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: cyberspace
Posts: 97,858
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by vogus View Post
not true. Nobody with any sense was claiming that. The overall quality of the Top 20 has been declining for several years, in the absence of a strong generation of young players to re-invigorate the tour.
I disagree. The top 20 is loaded with good young players.
There could be a debate about the quality of some of the recent slam winners, but the top 20 is solid.
The YEC could easily be a 16 draw.

The most wasted of all days is one without laughter....
Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there
Enjoy This Moment!!
HEALTH and HAPPINESS to EVERYONE

goldenlox is offline  
post #9 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 12:57 AM
-LIFETIME MEMBER-
 
fufuqifuqishahah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: New York
Posts: 16,448
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

the top 20 isnt that strong... the top 15/6 is though

and could be stronger if vee and seree get back up there.

nicole, jelena, and safina all did decent at slams last year so that says something too. franny is always dangerous and myskina is a former gs champ

fufuqifuqishahah is offline  
post #10 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 01:01 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
So Disrespectful's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 11,166
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by Junex View Post
if you mean to refer to Top 40 players, i dnt see any issue regarding your statement i bolded.

do you really expect Top 40 players to be reaching the second week of slam (or quarters at tier 1) consistently?
No, but they should be doing well at the tier 3s and 4s that they enter.

Daniela Hantuchova.

Casey Dellacqua, Jelena Jankovic, Anna-Lena Groenefeld,
Jelena Dokic, Mirjana Lucic, Sara Tomic, Sloane Stephens
Melanie Oudin, Kiki Bertens, Kaia Kanepi, Alison Riske
So Disrespectful is offline  
post #11 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Senior Member
 
Mr.Kardashian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Australia
Posts: 6,564
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

i think the top 16 is very competitive, with players like ivanovic and jankovic challenging the top players conistently. by the end of the year i think that the top 20 wil be very competitive with the possibility of players such as venus, serena, molik, myskina and possibly mary pierce challenging for top 30/top 20 positions... at the moment there are a couple of top ten players who arent beating lower ranked players consistently, but with time i think the depth of wta players will improve with the younger players coming through
Mr.Kardashian is offline  
post #12 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 01:20 AM
Senior Member
 
Ntour's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 6,364
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

most of you oly thinnk its weak bcause the sisters aren't in it

Allez Justine!
QUEEN OF CLAY
35 Consecutive Sets Won At Roland Garros, 4 RG Titles, 3 in a Row (So Far..)
"I Let Her Take Advantage Of Me, And I Feel Violated"
"She Hit A Lot Of Lucky Shots"

- Serena Williams, After Losing To Henin

GAMES
WMFT - J. Henin #15
Ntour is offline  
post #13 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 01:34 AM
Senior Member
 
AJZ.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 8,775
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

I think it's strong - strong in the sense that it's more open and unpredictable

Hantuchova/Sugiyama def. (1) Black/Huber 6-7(0) 6-3 7-6(10) saving SEVEN match points, down 2-5 in the third, and down 2-6 in the third set tiebreak in three hours

Ai Sugiyama. Jie Zheng. Zi Yan. Tamira Paszek.
Yaroslava Shvedova. Nuria&MariaJose. Yung-Jan Chan. Elena Vesnina. Flavia Pennetta.
AJZ. is offline  
post #14 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 01:55 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 6,898
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenlox View Post
I disagree. The top 20 is loaded with good young players.
There could be a debate about the quality of some of the recent slam winners, but the top 20 is solid.
The YEC could easily be a 16 draw.

Last year there were some pretenders like Kirilenko and ALG who got their rankings up pretty high.
vogus is offline  
post #15 of 38 (permalink) Old Jan 10th, 2007, 02:03 AM
Senior Member
 
Corswandt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 12 o'clock high
Posts: 13,656
                     
Re: WTA rankings aren't too strong anymore

I think the #30-50 rankings of the WTA, currently filled with veteran journeywomen, wily overachievers and maddeningly inconsistent players, will be taken over in the next 2-3 years by mobile, consistent, hard hitting players without obvious weaknesses in the lines of Anna Chak (or the Bondarenko we saw in Luxembourg, or Bardina), with warriors such as Peer filling most of the #15-30 slots. For now, all these players still lack the experience to pose much of a challenge to the truly top players, but as I say give it a couple more years.

Then again, the ATP is also losing depth. There were quite a few early round blowouts on the first few tournaments of 2007, and the top seeds seem to have cruised into the later rounds with unusual ease (even though there were some big upsets). ATP players ranked below #60 are barely a factor nowadays, so perhaps the WTA is merely following a wider trend.

Kvitova * Vaidisova * Garcia * Robson


Eu Jogo Ténis


Prokofiev + Son Goku = pwnage
Corswandt is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TennisForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Image Verification
Please enter the six letters or digits that appear in the image opposite.

Registration Image

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome