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Shamil Tarpischev: we are killing American tennis

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- Russia is the biggest tennis superpower rigth now, we won DC and FC twice in last 5 years. No one is even close.
- Russia has the best system of junior training, and because of that by the age of 14 we have the best juniors in the world. If they would have somehow stayed in Russia, they would have stalled the progress of the next generation, so we are happy that they are moving to train abroad and taking the precious spots in the best training pro academies.. All of them anyway will play for Russia in future.. We had 360 juniors playing in 56 countries last year.. We could not be able to handle all of them at home..

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your title is really misleading
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yeah its not saying about us tennis
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The title of the thread refers to the title of article (Мы убиваем американский теннис), which in turn refers to this:
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Сейчас у нас 17 человек в мировой сотне женского тенниса. Значит, в Америке уровень женского тенниса падает – своих совсем не осталось. Мы фактически убиваем теннис в Америке.

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The credit belongs to the parents, who push their kids, and if they show talent, take them to coaches.
In the US, parents put their daughters in team sports like soccer, basketball, softball.
There is little money in those pro sports for women.

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yeah, when I saw this article on the Russian website (before it was posted here), I expected to see some analysis, but it was nothing more than an attempt to connect 2 completely different things.

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according to johnny mac the russians literally are hungrier than everyone else, cos they are playing for the lives

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according to johnny mac the russians literally are hungrier than everyone else, cos they are playing for the lives
johnny mac knows nothing just a foul mouth who thinks he knows it all and is gods gift to tennis.

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They aren't so hungry


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pfff

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according to johnny mac the russians literally are hungrier than everyone else, cos they are playing for the lives

What a load of bullshit!!!
Who ever can afford to play tennis is not playing for his "life"
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Re: Shamil Tarpischev: we are killing American tennis

I think the bit about many US girls doing other sports is true. From hanging out with many overly competitive soccer parents, I think there is also a difference in aspirations.

Most middle-class and upper middle-class kids pursue sports with a college scholarship, not a professional career in mind. I think this because parents have a partly true, partly overly optimisitic sense that a kid is more likely to qualify for a scholarship than be a successful pro, and the fact that rising education costs are pricing many Americans out of top-rated private and public universities unless they have some kind of scholarship.

Thanks to Title 9, many US schools have more women's scholarships for team sports like soccer and basketball. Since soccer and basketball have more members on a team, your odds of getting a scholarship are somewhat higher. Also, for a lot of kids the social advantages of being on a team are very attractive, rather than focusing on an individual sport. I think that may be more true for girls than boys--again, my not at all statistically valid sample of personal experiences tells me that a boy will eventually focus on the sport he's best at, while a girl will consider factors like if she likes the coach, her teammates, and what she enjoys most (which may not be what she does best).

Now I may be wrong, but I get the impression that in much of the rest of the world college sports are less important to people, and not as much of an avenue to pursue one's higher education. Tennis will always attract more talented girls because it's the one sport where you can make as much as a male athlete (except, of course, at Wimbledon).

So I think competition from other sports may hurt the woman's gam in the US. But I think it will also sort of sort itself out and I'm certain we'll see US women back in the Top 10 before the end of the decade.

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Re: Shamil Tarpischev: we are killing American tennis

There is a "I want to please daddy" element to a 9 year old girl spending hours on the tennis court.
In the US, tennis is not on the dad's radar.

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I think miffedmax has some very valid points about the US situation.

On the women's side, I don't think a lot of American girls see themselves becoming professional athletes anyway. And today, you don't have to do much study to realize that to succeed at tennis, you pretty much have to devote your life to the sport from a very young age, as almost every tennis success story makes clear.

So, if you are interested in sports, but still want a career in some other area, plus want marriage and kids, plus want to have some fun socializing during your college years, the smart move is probably not to go for tennis, but for women's basketball or soccer or something, even though these sports do not offer much opportunity for women who want to turn pro.

In Russia and the other former soviet bloc countries, as well as in China and many other places today, there is a lot more economic incentive to try for a professional career in sports and of course, tennis is the career that really pays, at least if you get into the top ranks.

The one part I disagree with is whether this is just a short term problem for America, or whether we are seeing a major trend here.

Here's the problem, which I have also spelled out in other threads. Americans are pretty nationalistic (called it jingoistic if you want) and don't spend too much time rooting for non-Americans. And American TV has long proven that it doesn't really want to show anyone but Americans playing matches. (Which is why we've been forced to sit through every clunker delivered by Andy Roddick in the last five years.)

So if American TV finds fewer and fewer American girls to show in the second week of major tournaments, it is going to show less of those tournaments, which means tennis will fall father off the radar for the athletically talented American girl.

They may have wanted to grow up to be Billie Jean and then Chrissy and then Jennifer and then Venus and Serena, but I am not sure how many American girls will want to grow up to be the next Maria or Svetlana.
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Re: Shamil Tarpischev: we are killing American tennis

Tennis doesn't need the US.
The YEC is in Madrid, for men it's in China.
More and more Tier I's will be outside the US.
The US is a lot like the UK. If they didn't have a major, they wouldn't be too involved in the sport.

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