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Has she successfully converted her potential into achievements/results?

We often talk about certain players’ accomplishments, talent, weapons etc. But could we estimate how successfully they have converted their potential abilities into factual results, titles, rankings? In other words could we say “Yes, she has achieved the maximum she was capable of” or “It’s such a shame she couldn’t handle all the expectations and went down as under-achiever”?
Lets rate this “conversion” from 10 to 1 (from the best self-realization to the worst one).
Me to begin.

Serena Williams: 8
She could have won much more Slams had she stayed more fit but still she has claimed the Grand Slam so I can’t call her under-achiever

Venus Williams: 8,5
Basically has the same problems but three Wimbledon crowns, Olympics and finals at all Slams are great accomplishments

Lindsay Davenport: 9
A handful of Grand Slams. But sincerely speaking, with her permanent fitness issues have many of you expected Lindsay being the force to deal with for such a long period of time?

Martina Hingis: 9
She had an incredible 1997, probably the most dominant performance since Graf’s the Gold Slam in 1988. And despite three years lay-off she has proved she remains one of the best players these days too.

Justine Henin-Hardenne: 10
Maybe it’s just me but I have never thought she was going to become such successful competitor.

Kim Clijsters: 8
Plenty of good but not great titles. Consistent struggles at the majors, plus injuries. As a result she has “just” one Grand Slam under her belt.

Amelie Mauresmo: 9
Two Slams including Wimbledon, plus YEC, plus No. 1 ranking for almost a year - not so bad for “the worst choker ever”.

Mary Pierce: 8,5
Injuries, injuries, injuries but 2 Slams including the French Open and 4 more finals and “renaissance” at 30 years - not bad as well.

Maria Sharapova: 8,5 at the moment
It’s a bit early to estimate her career but she’s already two-time Slam champion and will win much more, without a doubt.

Svetlana Kuznetsova: 9 at the moment
Though I was hoping she would improve since 2004 I don’t think her game has developed much and don’t think it will develop drastically in future.

Nadia Petrova: 7
As much as I dislike her game I must admit she has all the skills to be the real top-player except maybe the most important ones: mental toughness and fighting spirit. Still, she has been No. 3 and remains one of the favorites to win Roland Garros.

Anastasia Myskina: 9,5
It could have been 10 had she won that f*ing Olympic semifinal!

Elena Dementieva: 9.5
With that crap serve and quite one-dimensional game it’s almost a miracle that she is staying in Top 10 for years now and has reached two major finals.

Your thoughts, guys? Oh, and about other players too.

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I guess similar topic has been discussed already but it’s off-season so lets talk anyway

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We often talk about certain players’ accomplishments, talent, weapons etc. But could we estimate how successfully they have converted their potential abilities into factual results, titles, rankings? In other words could we say “Yes, she has achieved the maximum she was capable of” or “It’s such a shame she couldn’t handle all the expectations and went down as under-achiever”?
Lets rate this “conversion” from 10 to 1 (from the best self-realization to the worst one).
Me to begin.

Serena Williams: 8
She could have won much more Slams had she stayed more fit but still she has claimed the Grand Slam so I can’t call her under-achiever

Venus Williams: 8,5
Basically has the same problems but three Wimbledon crowns, Olympics and finals at all Slams are great accomplishments

Lindsay Davenport: 9
A handful of titles and lack of Grand Slams. But sincerely speaking, with her permanent fitness issues have many of you expected Lindsay being the force to deal with for such a long period of time?

Martina Hingis: 9
She had an incredible 1997, probably the most dominant performance since Graf’s the Gold Slam in 1988. And despite three years lay-off she has proved she remains one of the best players these days too.

Justine Henin-Hardenne: 10
Maybe it’s just me but I have never thought she was going to become such successful competitor.

Kim Clijsters: 8
Plenty of good but not great titles. Consistent struggles at the majors, plus injuries. As a result she has “just” one Grand Slam under her belt.

Amelie Mauresmo: 9
Two Slams including Wimbledon, plus YEC, plus No. 1 ranking for almost a year - not so bad for “the worst choker ever”.

Mary Pierce: 8,5
Injuries, injuries, injuries but 2 Slams including the French Open and 4 more finals and “renaissance” at 30 years - not bad as well.

Maria Sharapova: 8,5 at the moment
It’s a bit early to estimate her career but she’s already two-time Slam champion and will win much more, without a doubt.

Svetlana Kuznetsova: 9 at the moment
Though I was hoping she would improve since 2004 I don’t think her game has developed much and don’t think it will develop drastically in future.

Nadia Petrova: 7
As much as I dislike her game I must admit she has all the skills to be the real top-player except maybe the most important ones: mental toughness and fighting spirit. Still, she has been No. 3 and remains one of the favorites to win Roland Garros.

Anastasia Myskina: 9,5
It could have been 10 had she won that f*ing Olympic semifinal!

Elena Dementieva: 9.5
With that crap serve and quite one-dimensional game it’s almost a miracle that she stays in Top 10 for years now and has reached two major finals.


Your thoughts, guys? Oh, and about other players too.

P.S.
I guess similar topic has been discussed already but it’s off-season so lets talk anyway
yes she's just lucky, its nothing to do with the fact she is one of the best fighter, the fittest, has some of the best groundstrokes and is one of the fastest on the tour, plus i dont know how a one dimensional player can make 2 USO doubles final and win the YEC in dubz too

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yes she's just lucky, its nothing to do with the fact she is one of the best fighter, the fittest, has some of the best groundstrokes and is one of the fastest on the tour, plus i dont know how a one dimensional player can make 2 USO doubles final and win the YEC in dubz too
No offense, really.
By miracle I mean her amazing fighting abilities and work ethics. When calling her one-dimensional I mean she has no plan B. Once her groundies are off she struggles not being able to change rhythm, mix it up and so on.

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Oops... "have she" My bad...
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If you think Nadia doesn't have fighting spirit, then you are clueless.

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Anastasia Myskina: 9,5
It could have been 10 had she won that f*ing Olympic semifinal!


What???
I would give her 6/10
I mean of course she could have won a gold medal in 2004, but she could have become a great player if she hadn't been bothered by her mother's health problems and her own injuries and fatigue

She also could have reached nr1, won more title and won another GS
Nastya was becoming huge before the begining of 2005. Don't forget that!

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Anastasia Myskina: 9,5
It could have been 10 had she won that f*ing Olympic semifinal!


What???
I would give her 6/10
I mean of course she could have won a gold medal in 2004, but she could have become a great player if she hadn't been bothered by her mother's health problems and her own injuries and fatigue

She also could have reached nr1, won more title and won another GS
Nastya was becoming huge before the begining of 2005. Don't forget that!
I love Nastya but I am not delusional.
Even in 2004 she was solid Top 5 player but not "huge force". She was often losing to lower-ranked players. She wasn't dominant.
The fact she has won almost nothing since Roland Garros only shows it was her absolute peak, the highest level of her abilities.
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I love Nastya but I am not delusional.
Even in 2004 she was solid Top 5 player but not "huge force". She was often losing to lower-ranked players. She wasn't dominant.
The fact she has won almost nothing since Roland Garros only shows it was her absolute peak, the highest level of her abilities.
then you need to check her 2004 year!
her only bad losses were to Chakvetadze and Maria-Elena Camerin in the 2 tournaments following the olympics!

Actually she was more than "a solid top 5 player": she had the best year of all the players

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If you think Nadia doesn't have fighting spirit, then you are clueless.
Weeeeeeeeeell... hard to call on this one. I've seen Nadia put up a fight, but sometimes I think she's like Lindsay. She pouts, frowns, gets down on herself and just... negative.
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i agree myskina has a lot of potencial wasted for me she could make it so many others titles but i guess she still has a litle bit of time

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I thought Nastya deserved POY in 2004.
4 different players won majors, and 2 others finished #1 & #2.
But Nastya didn't show herself to be the best player. She only made 1 slam semi.
It was a wide open year.
Justine won the AO and the Olympic gold, but was injured most of the year.
Sharapova won Wimbly and YEC, but Nastya was 3-1 h2h.
Nastya was the highest ranked player who won a major, and she was a Fed Cup heroine.
But she didn't show she was the best player. It was too close between about 6 players.

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Weeeeeeeeeell... hard to call on this one. I've seen Nadia put up a fight, but sometimes I think she's like Lindsay. She pouts, frowns, gets down on herself and just... negative.
It's hard to call for you, because you have no idea what you're talking about.

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If you regard LenaD's game as one-dimensional (with that vast array of groundstrokes) - again you are quite clueless.
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Lindsay Davenport: 9
A handful of titles and lack of Grand Slams. But sincerely speaking, with her permanent fitness issues have many of you expected Lindsay being the force to deal with for such a long period of time?


I look at Lindsay from the angle of her being that chubby 16 year old that no one in the sport gave a second look to be anything "special" on tour. So in that reguard, she's over achieved. She proved those people wrong.

But I said it before in TOP, that if she was a touch faster and a touch more mentally stable on court, she would have more majors. That's the only thing she's come up short on (in terms of her talent, especially in the last two/three years.)

That said I'm willing to give my big girl a solid 8.

I'm still very proud of what she's made of herself, professionally and personally.

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