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Wouldn't it be ironic...

...if Amélie would win tomorrow's match and be the 2006 Australian Open, Wimbledon and World Champion, but lose her #1 ranking the next day? I'm not saying this to discredit the system or Justine (I'm a Justine fan), but it would just feel a little weird IMO, even though Justine would have made the 5 biggest finals in tennis this year... Anyway, let's hope for an electric, exciting and totally fabulous match between 2 of the best (if not THE 2 best) players of 2006! May the best win tomorrow
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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

The ranking system is set up to reward consistency, not greatness.
You can win all 4 majors, and not be #1 in points.

Lindsay just finished #1 in 2 straight years without winning a major or a YEC or Miami

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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

didn't you get that memo? dang.

it's all justine's evil plan to lose to mauresmo, claim the #1 rank, to frustrate mauresmo and her fans. she rigged the ranking points system, single-handedly.

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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

I have never liked this ranking system.
This year is typical.
The average fan only knows the majors, and the WTA is giving #1 ranking to 1 slam win in the last 12 majors.


0 for 4, 0 for 4 - Lindsay.
1 for 4 - Justine

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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

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The ranking system is set up to reward consistency, not greatness.
You can win all 4 majors, and not be #1 in points.

Lindsay just finished #1 in 2 straight years without winning a major or a YEC or Miami
First, no one from this generation has won all four Grand Slam titles in a calendar year.

Only Martina Hingis and Justine Henin-Hardenne have made it to the finals of all four grand slam tournaments in a calendar year.

The ranking system is set-up to reward winners and those that play well. Justine only played 13 events (including YEC), making it to the finals of 9 of those (doesn't include Fed Cup). No one on tour can claim that greatness.

Amelie Mauresmo made it to the finals of 7 of 17 tournaments she played.

All the crying and whining isn't going to change the greatness of Justine Henin-Hardenne. You will just have to live in your misery.
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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

i think you need to do the following
1) hack the computer system, and change the ranking results
2) work for wta tour, and craft the ranking system yourself
3) scrape the points system for rank #1 only (since you still need to seed players and all that). consider having 5 slams in the world, and whoever wins the most just wins #1 ranking.
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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

I'm not intending to knock Justine, a great player.
But everyone would rather win 2 majors than 1.

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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

agreed. i'm sure every tennis player wants to win a slam. but this has no bearings then to this statement:
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WTA is giving #1 ranking to 1 slam win in the last 12 majors
your statements are incongruent
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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

Once again, this is NOT a thread to criticize the ranking system nor Justine. Justine's reached every important final there is in tennis this year, and won 1 (maybe 2) of them, so I think those results speak for themselves. She's been very consistent at the highest level imaginable. But IF Amélie WOULD win tomorrow's match, it would just seem a little weird to me to see the Australian Open, Wimbledon and World Champion NOT finish on top of the rankings... you know what I mean? It's just about the feeling, not the system, not Justine... I'm just wondering what other people would think about that.
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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

i think the word consistency is not understood properly. perhaps you can go to dictionary.com

that aside, yes, the ranking system doesn't let the 2GS (potential YEC) to be world #1 this year. that's because, if you only show up during majors, during those sparse tournaments, it's not going to reward you with enough to take that position. CONSISTENTLY GOOD is they key, and what the ranking means.

of course, if you can change the system and make it more perfect, go ahead! tell wta tour how to do it!
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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

They don't want to change the system because they want the top players to play a lot.
Not train on their own and just play the majors.
Or maybe tank a match at Eastbourne or Sydney to be fresh for the major.

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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

seems like the Juju-fans are getting a bit touchy here...relax. I guess they're having flash-backs of Kim being no.1 while Juju was winning the majors. The reaction at the time was: keep the no.1, we take the majors.... fast forward to 2006...

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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

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seems like the Juju-fans are getting a bit touchy here...relax. I guess they're having flash-backs of Kim being no.1 while Juju was winning the majors. The reaction at the time was: keep the no.1, we take the majors.... fast forward to 2006...
I agree. Why the change in attitude? Oh right...
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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

well, i think justine fans were ok with justine not being ranked #1, and accepted the fact, and moved on. but here, we have many mauresmo fans thinking that mauresmo should be number 1 instead.

it's called acceptance of reality, and how the system works. delusion is often anesthetic in nature.
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Re: Wouldn't it be ironic...

I'm not a Mauresmo fan.
The topic was, if Amelie wins tomorrow, is Justine a deserving #1.

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