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If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

53 doubles titles....not bad.
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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

I don't think she should...She's a mediocre singles player and a very good doubles player in an era in which doubles isn't very competitive, I don't think that this should be enough to get her into the HOF

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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

yes she should get in there she is 1 of only a number of players who has won all 4 Grand Slams and has been great with more than 1 partner and has over 50 titles thats got to be enough
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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

Did she annouce that she retired?
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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

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Did she annouce that she retired?
someone is trying to be a smartass to diss another thread regarding anna k.

this person thinks it's WRONG to diss her FAVOURITE PLAYERS but it's OK to diss PLAYERS THAT AREN'T HER FAVOURITE

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and yes, lisa should be inducted if pam shiver was.



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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

Actually Pam Shriver shouldn'T be in, because I also think Lisa shouldn't be in. But if Pam is in, Lisa should be elected as well...

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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

I do believe she is as doubles player but I do believe she needs some singles success like some semi's and quarters in majors like Rosie Casals. Overall she has an impressive resume of Fed Cup and others. She will eventually get in.

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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

i think she is very well worthy also collecting another title 2mins ago winning 6-3 6-0 =)

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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

fernandez and zvereva have far better doubles records and they're not so raymond has to be a long way off getting nominated
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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

The only thing going against Lisa would be the fact she never cracked the top 10 in singles.

In defence of Pam Shriver, who someone mentioned negatively, apart from her grand slam doubles titles and Olympic gold medal in doubles, Pam held a top 3 ranking in singles, made a grand slam singles final, the year end championships singles final as well as multiple grand slam singles semi & quarter finals, so was an exceptional singles player too.
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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

If there were a doubles HOF, then yes, but otherwise, no.
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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

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fernandez and zvereva have far better doubles records and they're not so raymond has to be a long way off getting nominated
And neither is Helena Sukova. Raymond has no chance of being inducted until Fernandez, Zvereva, and Sukova get in first.

Best left-right combination by a German (and that includes Max Schmeling): Steffi Graf. All she did in 1987 was knock Navratilova out of #1 and try to knock Evert out of the sport. (Mike Lupica in "The Best and Worst of Tennis in 1987", World Tennis)

"A couple of years ago, we nicknamed Steffi Graf's forehand 'Jaws'. And that music would go perfectly when she starts running in to the net, swarming on that little ball." (JoAnne Russell, during the 1988 Wimbledon final between Graf and Navratilova)
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and yes, lisa should be inducted if pam shiver was.
Excuse me? Well, I happen to think that Shriver is not worthy of the Hall of Fame (I just don't rate doubles that highly), but she's a lot more accomplished than Raymond. For starters, Shriver, along with Navratilova, had a 109-match winning streak between June 1983 and July 1985, a streak that included *eight* consecutive Grand Slam titles as well as a calendar year Grand Slam (1984). No other team in the Open Era ever came close to being that invincible.

Best left-right combination by a German (and that includes Max Schmeling): Steffi Graf. All she did in 1987 was knock Navratilova out of #1 and try to knock Evert out of the sport. (Mike Lupica in "The Best and Worst of Tennis in 1987", World Tennis)

"A couple of years ago, we nicknamed Steffi Graf's forehand 'Jaws'. And that music would go perfectly when she starts running in to the net, swarming on that little ball." (JoAnne Russell, during the 1988 Wimbledon final between Graf and Navratilova)
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Re: If Lisa Raymond Retires....Is She HOF Worthy?

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I don't think she should...She's a mediocre singles player and a very good doubles player in an era in which doubles isn't very competitive, I don't think that this should be enough to get her into the HOF
Since when is only being successful in singles a criteria for being a HOF candidate?
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Since when is only being successful in singles a criteria for being a HOF candidate?
Exactly. Doubles is a completely different disclipline and requires a completely different set of skills. That's why a lot of top singles players are lousy doubles players (especially on the mens side.) Just because it doesn't get as much attention does not mean its easier or should get less respect.

Raymond has won every Grand Slam in doubles. I don't see how they wouldn't warrant a nod. I also think Fernandez and Zvereva will get in there within the next three years or so.
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