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As stated here in the past, the WTA bases it's ranking system on number of events entered, (as a reward for playing in more 'sponsers' events). However, the system is therefore not a true evaluation of player talent. The more accurate measure would be to obtain the players points earned per event played and devide this total by the actual number of events entered, (call it a 'power rating'). With that in mind, the 'True Rankings' as of 10/17/06 (with individual pt av accumlation per events played) are as follows: which results in some surprizes (top 10 only). For the top 100 do your own tabulations on your own time. Lindsay Davenport was right when she said, 'from my perspective, she's the top player in the world right now', (a reference to Hardenne). However, Watch out for Maria, she's on the rise with her recent US Open title. 1)Hardenne 289.42 2)Sharapova 238.36 3) Mauresmo 207.83 4)Clijisters 140.67 5)Kuznetsova 117.52 6) Hingis 100.68 7)Petrova 91.44 8)Dementiva 85.35 9)Davenport 81.67 10) Vaidisova 73.21
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Actually, Serena's #10

She's got 301 points with 4 events, so that puts her at 75.25

and Venus isn't far behind @ 74.5

so I agree

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Actually, Serena's #10

She's got 301 points with 4 events, so that puts her at 75.25

and Venus isn't far behind @ 74.5

so I agree
It's easy to get a good ratio with 4 events!

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It's easy to get a good ratio with 4 events!
This is exactly why the wta does not use this supposed "true ranking"

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i think this is quite ridiculous, thinking about it, because a player could just take the whole year off training and then win zurich at the end of the year and be number one in the world
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i think this is quite ridiculous, thinking about it, because a player could just take the whole year off training and then win zurich at the end of the year and be number one in the world
I think Anne Koethavong should do that next year
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It's easy to get a good ratio with 4 events!
2 semis, the 4th round of US Open and that one tournament in Australia ?

If it was easy, then why aren't more people getting that far in tourneys all the time?

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2 semis, the 4th round of US Open and that one tournament in Australia ?

If it was easy, then why aren't more people getting that far in tourneys all the time?
i see what you're saying but you cant exactly call 4 tourneys "all the time"
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by the way, I did vote 'yes' it made a valid point, but only to real tennis fans. Because injuries are so prevalent, I think the WTA should find some mixture of the two. Golf has a VERY interesting system where they take the past 2 years. I dunno, either way, Serena will be #1 this time next year anyway. She's got NOTHING to defend all year

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I think Anne Koethavong should do that next year
Elena Baltacha should do it too Wimbledon is her goad

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This is exactly why the wta does not use this supposed "true ranking"
Correct. Amelie quits after the AO, has a ranking of 700 which no one can EVER surpass, and ends the year as #1. That's the extreme case.

There should be a number of tourneys which count toward one's ranking. The problem is now that that number is too high. Tennis, in this day and age, is too hard on the body, too demanding.

The season should be shorter, ending earlier, and the number of tourneys which count toward your ranking should be dropped to around 14 or 15.

Also, the difference between *winning* a tournament and being a runner-up or worse should be increased, as should the difference between Slams and Tier I's, and Tier I's and below.
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can U add a third option: both

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i see what you're saying but you cant exactly call 4 tourneys "all the time"
you're taking it out of context , why don't more players make it that far in tournaments, if those points were so easy

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Correct. Amelie quits after the AO, has a ranking of 700 which no one can EVER surpass, and ends the year as #1. That's the extreme case.

There should be a number of tourneys which count toward one's ranking. The problem is now that that number is too high. Tennis, in this day and age, is too hard on the body, too demanding.

The season should be shorter, ending earlier, and the number of tourneys which count toward your ranking should be dropped to around 14 or 15.

Also, the difference between *winning* a tournament and being a runner-up or worse should be increased, as should the difference between Slams and Tier I's, and Tier I's and below.
well, that isnt strictly true, because the rankings are over 52 weeks, so she would have to wait till december and then she would be number 1 - but only for a month
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