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Justine joins Hilde and Monica in the rarified air of Roland Garros greats at the end of RG 2007. 37 78.72%
Justine falls short like so many legends before her. 10 21.28%
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Can Justine join Hilde and Monica after RG 2007?

No one has won three consecutive Roland Garros titles besides Hilde Sperling (1935-1937) and Monica Seles (1990-1992). Not Chris Evert (who holds the record for most RG singles titles), not Steffi Graf (who won 6 RG titles between 1987-1999), not Aranxta Sanchez-Vicario (a 3-time Champion), nor did Margaret Court or Martina Navratilova manage this feat.

Justine's already got a hat-trick of titles (2003, 2005-2006), but they're not consecutive. Yes, I know it's too early to answer, but we're simply speculating and making predictions because we're bored till the YEC start. Justine is clearly the best claycourt player on Tour. Can she join Monica and Hilde at the end of RG 2007 or will she be left behind like so many others before her?

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it is a bit early 2 tell but i reckon that justine could do it. she has a better game on clay than any other active player at the moment plus she's comfortable on the surface which is an important attribute 4 her on clay. she moves well, hits good dropshots on the clay, mixes it up with topspin or slice & can move her opponents around with her groundies. so that's my sum up of justine's chances of winning 3 consecutive RG titles.

but other players like sveta or nadia could pose a threat 2 her. but justine will do it again despite all challenges.
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if she faces kuznetsova, petrova and amelie on her way to the title, i think she'll lose one of them.
if she faces two - she has a good chance
if she only has to battle one, the title is as good as hers, barring injury, sickness and so on.

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An interesting point that has not been made is that Justine has not been tested the way others have been during a Grand Slam during her recent French Open conquests. In 2003, she definitely deserved it (unless we discuss a so-called hand incident). In 2005, she played absolutely no one. Her best opponent was an immature Petrova. In 2006, she played no one yet again besides an out of sorts Clijsters and Kuznetsova. I feel that if tested, Henin-Hardenne may not win a 3rd. She has yet to face the big guns, consecutively the way Serena did in US 1999/Oz 2005, Sharapova Wimbledon 2004/ US 2006, Venus 2005 Wimbledon. However, as of now, we still have to give her the title of clay queen.
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Suzanne Lenglen was credited for winning three straight French Championships 1921-1923, however, it wasn't until 1925 that they opened the tournament to non-French nationals

How many women do you see "high steppin'" like that on court these days?

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There is no one currently playing on the WTA circuit that is as effective and ruthless on clay than Justine Henin-Hardenne.

Having said that, it would take a miracle and injury for someone to beat her at Roland Garros.
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Oddly enough, Hilde Sperling is regarded as the second best player from Germany behind Steffi Graf, and has not yet been inducted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame.

Despite winning the French Championships three times, being a Wimbledon finalist twice, reaching the semifinals of the French Championships and Wimbledon an additional six times, and being ranked in the top 10 for ten consecutive years, Sperling has not yet been inducted into the International Tennis Hall of Fame.

Helen Jacobs (pictured below) often regarded her as the third best player she ever played against.



Yet, Sabatini, Austin and Shriver made it in.....

Oh, and just for fun, here's a pic of Alice Marble and Bobbie Riggs Dancing at the 1939 Wimbledon Ball after their wins:





For those that didn't know it, Alice Marble wrote a scathing letter to the editor of the US Lawn Tennis Association Magazine in 1950 when Althea wasn't allowed to enter tournaments. In the letter, Marble wrote that she was embarrassed by "the bigotry" exhibited by her fellow all-white members of the USLTA when they wouldn't allow Althea Gibson to play.

One week later, Gibson received an invitation to the following month's U.S. Open.

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An interesting point that has not been made is that Justine has not been tested the way others have been during a Grand Slam during her recent French Open conquests. In 2003, she definitely deserved it (unless we discuss a so-called hand incident). In 2005, she played absolutely no one. Her best opponent was an immature Petrova. In 2006, she played no one yet again besides an out of sorts Clijsters and Kuznetsova. I feel that if tested, Henin-Hardenne may not win a 3rd. She has yet to face the big guns, consecutively the way Serena did in US 1999/Oz 2005, Sharapova Wimbledon 2004/ US 2006, Venus 2005 Wimbledon. However, as of now, we still have to give her the title of clay queen.
clay queen, as opposed to grass queen is easier to base upon more than the sole surface grand slam of the year.
more like hard courts, in which Clijsters, Davenport or such are seen as the top contenders with all year victories as opposed to thier grand slam limited succes, Henin was able to dispatch of evryone in her lengthy career at the clay warm ups. you aren't going to be able o take away her bieng the best claycourter of our times easily, even though you are of course correct that she wasn't pushed as much as needed to declare her "great" enough.
but you can blame her rivals for not making it half as far as they should have in order of giving her a decent fight.

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There also seems to be a misconception about Justine not being able to play on fast courts. She's actually won more hardcourt tournaments than clay court. The majority of her tournament victories have been on fast surfaces.

She's made it to at least the semi's in 4 of the past 6 Wimbledon's.

17 Fast Surfaces
10 Clay

Hard (13)
Clay (10)
Grass (2)
Carpet (2)

And considering that she lost in 15 other finals, that makes 42 finals that Justine has played in, winning 27 of them (64%).

Justine is 104-22 in Grand Slam matches. She's won 82% of Grand Slam matches she's played in during her career. It would be hard betting against her at the French Open. She owns the tournament.

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look at the quality - of the clay titles:
RG - 3
berlin - 3
charleston - 2
warsaw

but then in hard courts you have alot of rebound ace tournies -
aussie open
sydney - 2
gold coast
canberra

7 of her clay tournies were the red-stuff slugfestings.
5 of her 13 hard titles came from slow courts.

it's quite easy to see she prefers it slower.
but of course - as the great player she is she's also a two time wimbly finalist.
the fact stil remains her home-court is slower than most players out there like.

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Just a Marjorie reminder:

History only provides four categories of surfaces in the sport of tennis:

1. Hard
2. Clay
3. Grass
4. Carpet

There is no current sub-category for hard surfaces, such as Rebound Ace when registering the history of tennis. Any match played on a hard court will be registered as a hard court victory. Similarly, the International Tennis Hall of Fame doesn't recognize the difference between red and green clay when reporting clay court wins.

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if she faces kuznetsova, petrova and amelie on her way to the title, i think she'll lose one of them.
justine lost amelie on clay? i don't think so. kuznetsova beat henin once.
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kuznetsova beat henin once.
Nobody is perfect but it was on hardcourt (Doha)

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well, i think its hard to think anyone will stop justine from winning a 3rd consecutive RG unless she is injured or sth? the competition just doesn't cut it at the moment...

maybe kuznetsova if she fixes her head.. and nadia as well... but otherwise, i dun see anyone.

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well, i think its hard to think anyone will stop justine from winning a 3rd consecutive RG unless she is injured or sth? the competition just doesn't cut it at the moment...

maybe kuznetsova if she fixes her head.. and nadia as well... but otherwise, i dun see anyone.

head to head kuznetsova/henin : 1-12
head to head Petrova/henin : 2-7 (ok once on clay)

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