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Daniela should work on her movement and rival's serve reading

I was watching the final.She is really slow,leaves some balls without trying to reach them.Her long legs seem to disturb her.
Maria's serve is really good,but readable,which Daniela is unable to do.

I cannot see her winning single titles with such poor on-court movement.

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i think she maybe tired i foind her normally a pretty fgood mover
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I was watching the final.She is really slow,leaves some balls without trying to reach them.Her long legs seem to disturb her.
Maria's serve is really good,but readable,which Daniela is unable to do.

I cannot see her winning single titles with such poor on-court movement.
I guess you don't remember 2002.


I do, she use to beat Justine, and some player named Martina Hingis.


Anyway- her movement has never been great, but the Dani serve use to be really great. I don't know what happened to it nowadays? Maybe it's some sort of Monaco thing with double faults...

Bad on court movement hasn't stopped alot of players with huge serves, so I can see her winning titles. I've seen less talented players win titles this year. She needs more than reading serves to win big, an all around improvement on slightly everything would help.

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I was watching the final.She is really slow,leaves some balls without trying to reach them.Her long legs seem to disturb her.
Maria's serve is really good,but readable,which Daniela is unable to do.

I cannot see her winning single titles with such poor on-court movement.
So .... which professional tennis player do you coach then?
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Yeah, I agree with you, today she wasn't able to read Sharapova serve, which is very good, but she started the point with a big disadvantage.

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Daniela's movement has never been a strength. In 2002 she could get away with this more but the way tennis has progressed I no longer think that's the case. I would compare her to Davenport as someone who is very good off the ground but not a great mover. Lindsay can afford not to run balls down because she can rely on her groundstrokes to make winners. Daniela leaves too small a margin of error and is more inconsistent and thus makes a lot more unforced errors on her strokes.

Personally I think Dani should spend the off-season working on speed training. If she added one extra step I think she could make better defensive shots and just make the opponent play one extra shot.

Regarding the serve return you've got to say that Maria has an excellent serve, particularly out wide on both sides, accurate and pacy, so it's hard to make a good return off it at the best of times.

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daniela is quite slow for someone thin and small...i have to agree with that..but she definately hit with some pace at times

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I guess you don't remember 2002.


I do, she use to beat Justine, and some player named Martina Hingis.
How could I forget IW 2002?I rememeber that final.It was windy and Martina played like a crap.
But from then on,Daniela hasn't beaten her,you know.

But from that 2002,Dani hasn't made any progress,IMO she's even gotten worse.Maybe till now,when she seems to get on track.

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I cannot see her winning single titles with such poor on-court movement.


daniela's "poor on-court movement" was good enough to put her in the finals and good enough forher to win indian wells 2002.



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I simply don't agree. Her movement was fine today, unlikely some of her previous matches
this year. It's also har to read Maria's serve and then to return them. Dani did great work today and there's nothing to be ashamed of.

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How could I forget IW 2002?I rememeber that final.It was windy and Martina played like a crap.
But from then on,Daniela hasn't beaten her,you know.

But from that 2002,Dani hasn't made any progress,IMO she's even gotten worse.Maybe till now,when she seems to get on track.
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How could I forget IW 2002?I rememeber that final.It was windy and Martina played like a crap.
But from then on,Daniela hasn't beaten her,you know.

But from that 2002,Dani hasn't made any progress,IMO she's even gotten worse.Maybe till now,when she seems to get on track.

Martina didn't play like crap, she was stuck on the baseline trying to out defend the ball. There wasn't much going forward or changing the pace or style of shots in that match. It was Dani that was playing all court tennis- weird but it remind me alot of the Montreal match against Ana Ivanovic.

Anyway- true DH seems to be sort of in this middle gear, but there's no Sears anymore. The same could be said of Nadia, but she's picked up her game.

When you see Dani play and compare it to the silly hype of a Sania Mirza, it's really kind of a shame. There's so much game to improve, but I guess this is where the greats, the almost greats and the talented ones get seperated.

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Daniela's movement has never been a strength. In 2002 she could get away with this more but the way tennis has progressed I no longer think that's the case. I would compare her to Davenport as someone who is very good off the ground but not a great mover. Lindsay can afford not to run balls down because she can rely on her groundstrokes to make winners. Daniela leaves too small a margin of error and is more inconsistent and thus makes a lot more unforced errors on her strokes.

Personally I think Dani should spend the off-season working on speed training. If she added one extra step I think she could make better defensive shots and just make the opponent play one extra shot.

Regarding the serve return you've got to say that Maria has an excellent serve, particularly out wide on both sides, accurate and pacy, so it's hard to make a good return off it at the best of times.
that is a good assessment, unfortunately I don't see that happening any time soon, Hantuchova has one of the worst ethic works ever, always sullen, moody and negative, which reflects on her inability to turn things around once she falls behind. She is a very polite girl, but very distant and hard to reach for, sad and discreet smiles, often lonely and aloof. Beautiful strokes and heaps of talent, but very hard to be coached, and I seriously doubt if she's uded to giving 100% out there on the practice courts. Still not bad as someone like Jelena Dokic, for example, who'd rather spend her allocated practice time flirting and chatting away...
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I can't believe what some people wrote. Her movement is bad, that's certain and it has been discussed so many times I tire of it. If you must know, she improved that part of the game. Her approach to the ball is certainly better than it was in previous years (and I have been following her since 2001). Do you know that she used to go running every morning for one hour? And about serve reading, it's one of her biggest weapons, Maria just served too good today. Her serve is difficult for anyone to return, that's the main reason why she is No. 3 and won Flushing Meadows. The reason why Maria won today is that she has more exp with these matches. And about Dani's lack of enthusiasm in practice, that is really ridiculous. Do you know why she lost so much weight in 2003? It was mainly because she trained so hard and her body just couldn't withstand the pressure.

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Hantuchova has one of the worst ethic works ever, always sullen, moody and negative, which reflects on her inability to turn things around once she falls behind.
Do you train with her? I'm sorry but I totally disagree. I think Daniela trains extremely hard, if anything she trains too hard. This was part of the cause of her weight loss a couple of years ago.

I think now she is trying to be a bit easier on herself and applying less pressure to herself during matches. At the moment her main psychological disadvantage is that she's not used to being in winning positions in finals - it's a hump she needs to get over and having watched her matches throughout this year she seems to be getting better at this. Today's match was very positive.

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