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Williams vs Williams threatens to kill off the game...C/P

Williams v Williams threatens to kill the women's game

Stephen Bierley in Paris
Monday June 10, 2002
The Guardian

Judging by the two decidedly mediocre grand slam finals the Williams sisters have played against each other so far, and given that they have now established themselves as the No1 and No2 players in the world, the immediate future of women's tennis appears bleak.

This has nothing to do with their ability. Serena, who became French Open champion here on Saturday, winning 7-5, 6-3, and Venus, were clearly the two best players present and thoroughly deserved to be in the final. But once they were there the competition effectively ended.

There was no tension, no conflict. And unlike last year's US Open final, with its Hollywood overtones, there was no show. The WWF wrestlers at least provide a spectacle.

The French crowd surrounding the Court Philippe Chatrier did not know what to make of it and generally sat on their hands until the end. There were occasional whistles of derision, such was the poor quality of the error-strewn tennis, but supporters thrive on taking sides and this is impossible when the sisters are playing each other. As Venus tellingly said: "Probably people see us as the same."

There was, inevitably, talk of the match having been arranged in Serena's favour. Perhaps it was, perhaps not. Venus, the US Open and Wimbledon champion, served for the first set at 5-3 but managed only one point. Of her 11 service games she held only three times. Psychologically, if nothing else, she was not at the races and hit only four winners.

There will be those who deny it but every match the sisters have played against each other has been little more than an exhibition. Saturday's final had its moments of quality but of the 149 points contested 101 ended in unforced errors. It was all extremely depressing.

Serena spoke afterwards of building a rivalry with Venus and making a legacy. Between them they have won six of the last 11 grand slam titles, beginning with Serena's victory at the 1999 US Open, so the legacy is already established, but not the rivalry. That is non-existent.

The most endearing side of the Williams is their liking for each other, and their mutual support. Yet even this militates against the essence of a sporting occasion when they meet - the exhilaration of the winner and the disappointment of the loser. Sure, Serena was happy; sure, Venus was a touch subdued - but nothing much else.

Now that they are so high in the rankings, the chances of them meeting again in the Wimbledon final are even greater. "The grass would really bring out the best of both of us," said Serena. "It would probably be a much quicker match." She might have added: "So you should be thankful for small mercies."

At the very top, with Lindsay Davenport and Martina Hingis currently injured, and both out of Wimbledon, the competition for grand-slam titles is extremely restricted. Only the two Belgians, Kim Clijsters and Justine Henin, neither of whom has won a major title, together with Jennifer Capriati, appear to have any chance of breaking up the Williams axis at Wimbledon.

What they need to do is play in different slam events, two apiece per year. A Williams v the Rest has appeal; Williams v Williams is a dead duck.
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What they need to do is play in different slam events, two apiece per year. A Williams v the Rest has appeal; Williams v Williams is a dead duck.

This is his solution? I'm speechless.
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the problem is that when they did that they got criticised for avoiding each other. so really this is a lose-lose situation. i hope the WTA can afford it.

"For now, Roddick seems to play with the intelligence of a fence post."
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In away, the competition does end after the Williams sledge are the only two standing and does lose my interest a little. If the sisters matches were more competitive then it would be okay but I think it willl get there someday.

"I told her, `You don't want to get into a hitting battle with Sharapova, because it would be uneven for Sharapova, because Sharapova only has one good side and that's her backhand,"'. "`You don't want to get into that for the simple reason you would win. So try to hit some balls to her strong side, to her backhand, and that would help you with your match for tomorrow

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Well, it looks like he will have to get use to watching that "dead duck" for a number of years!

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Hi Tennis Chick,

Nice to see you,

Do you buy into this viewpoint??

I do not, however I do agree that Venus and Serena seem to still have trouble playing each other. Serena deserved to win, but I think she spotted Venus that early lead through nervousness.

Venus was playing about as mediocre in this match as she has most of this year. Did you see her Semi vs Clarisa? Don't know how she got by Monica.

Venus usually starts to shine with the grass and hardcourt season. Lets see what happens. It would be nice to see Venus draw Jennifer at Wimby. If Serena draws Justine, these could be some great matches. We were cheated out of that at the French when Justine fell sick.
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That's an unfair article! Serena and Venus are the 2 best players. The tennis world needs to deal with that fact! And get over it! Why should the Big W's be blamed because their competition can't handle them?
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I have to agree with the fact that the matches between Venus & Serena are very boring. They just keep doing mistakes and overall it's bad matches. But when you look at their matches vs Capriati, Davenport, Seles, Hingis, etc. they are very entertaining. But as soon as they play against each others something happens and they play awful. What is the solution? I have no clue.
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OK, we pretty much all admit Venus and Srena do not play their best tennis against each other but this article is a bit unnecessary in my view. They are not THAT bad against each other, and anyway it misses two points:
1. There are still a heap of other interesting rounds to watch; and
2. We don't even know whether V and S WILL play each other ijn every grand slam yet ... there are still a few other decent players on the tour you know and everyone has off days.
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nicely put venusfan.

VS Fan i agree: there's something missing when they compete against each others vs competing against others. Mark35 called it "drama". he's right.

nice to see you too!!!

"For now, Roddick seems to play with the intelligence of a fence post."
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Thumbs down Writer Is Biased & Ignorant

tennischick, I started to post this article but decided against it. Instead, I wrote this writer a nasty email. I would post it here - but it may be a little tooooo hot for some because I was burnt.

I told IT many things - but one of the main points I wanted to get across to IT was to point out that IT could try to find more constuctive articles to write about.

No. 1 - I told IT that maybe IT should implore to the Europeans WTA players that they needed to make sure they get an education, or follow-up w/one after they retire. I told IT as it stands now many won't ever win a title, and when they retire from the sport, what would they have to fall back on? I reminded IT thru all of ITs harsh criticism of the Sisters - IT seemed petty and bitter to spew such nonsense. And I told IT the Sisters had much to fall back on.

I told IT that IT was sooooo ignorant and not wise enough to comment in the article about the Historical part of this phenom of 2 Sisters competing in the French Open final. I told It - IT should be ashamed of itself for not offering up some credit or congrats to the Sisters for accomplishing this feat.

And lastly - I told IT - I for one would never read IT's articles again - let alone post them.

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dammm.. don't want to get you mad

"I told her, `You don't want to get into a hitting battle with Sharapova, because it would be uneven for Sharapova, because Sharapova only has one good side and that's her backhand,"'. "`You don't want to get into that for the simple reason you would win. So try to hit some balls to her strong side, to her backhand, and that would help you with your match for tomorrow

Sir Richard Williams
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who is IT? honestly i just thought the article was a good one to provoke discussion. no need to get so hot under the collar.

"For now, Roddick seems to play with the intelligence of a fence post."
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To quickly sum up the speculation....It's all about the KILLER INSTINCT.

The sisters are not prone to that instinct when facing each other naturally. To be honest me and my brother were never really as close as Vee and Rena, so I wanted to beat him BADLY.

But in the wake of how things have been going in Slams and Rankings, it's quite natural that Vee wants Rena to do well, and my have lost focus in doing so.

I don't think they should concede to pulling out of Slams to appease the competition...STUPID!

I for one, watched the Final as a Williams Fan, and at times it was quite lack luster, but as a FAN, I Love it. The competition does end in the Semi's for the Sisters, but i am pleased with the Fact that one of them will go in the history books.

It's all about the Killer Instinct, and neither is lacking, only in the Finals against each other, quite understandable.

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Well - tennischick - I for one got hot. You didn't. That is why all God's children have the right to their own opinion.

If you don't see what I see - then so be it. Again - I for one got hot. And I am by no means knocking you for posting it - so don't get me wrong. I felt like posting what I did - because an hour ago - I sent off my testy email, and I found it ironic that tis all.

No harm no foul. I just took offense. And I don't think I need to explain why - because most could care less. But I'd bet my last dollar that some will understand just where I was coming from and going.

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