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a rarely discussed point.....

based on the often unfairly and harsh comments made on underperforming players,a certain point sprang to my mind,which is,IMO,hindsighted too rarely:

-did you ever think about,how extremely stressful and exhausting the travelling and especially the constant changing of timezones is for the girls??they travel from one point in the world to another,often in the space of 1 week!!if you are a normal tourist,that apologises for being "jet-lagged",its fine and accepted.so how about being a bit more easy on the girls,for not being able to bring up constantly top efforts??

just a thought....

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they would get used to it over the years. its second nature
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yeah, I think you're right. But someone arrive like 4 days before the match, so they SHOULD b ready. But beside that, I think it is a good thread, to come up with..
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I think you have a point. When Lindsay win a tough match people think she's the greatest fighter out there. When she loses she tanked the match and what brought up makes sense. Also you can't preform at your maximum all of the time either.
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i remember talking about winning back-to-back-to-back titles on three continents. can't remember who - but i thought it waqs amazing.

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I think about it!! It's an important (and exhausting) part of their profession. I'm sure there are very talented boys and girls who find it hard to deal with this and will therefore never make it to the top.

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based on the often unfairly and harsh comments made on underperforming players,a certain point sprang to my mind,which is,IMO,hindsighted too rarely:

-did you ever think about,how extremely stressful and exhausting the travelling and especially the constant changing of timezones is for the girls??they travel from one point in the world to another,often in the space of 1 week!!if you are a normal tourist,that apologises for being "jet-lagged",its fine and accepted.so how about being a bit more easy on the girls,for not being able to bring up constantly top efforts??

just a thought....

speak your mind,people!!
They're getting paid buckets of money to do it [the top players at least - and even relatively young journeywomen like say Benesova have earned more tha 700.000 USD on prize money alone]. So I wouldn't whine if I was on their place.

I don't blast players who are still very young and/or slogging it out for peanuts in challengers. But players who have been pros for 2-3 years, have made good money, and can afford to stay in good hotels, have no business complaining about grueling schedules, jetlag and other inconveniences of intercontinental travel.

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I think about it!! It's an important (and exhausting) part of their profession. I'm sure there are very talented boys and girls who find it hard to deal with this and will therefore never make it to the top.

Good point.
thx.yeah,i just thought,it would be fair to speak it out,because people very often,very soon have a "go" at them,which i find very unfair,so i wanted to make that clear...


and what i dont like too is that often used argument "come on,they earn enough money,so they have to be able to take it!!"what a rub!what has one thing to do with another?sure,it makes some things easier,but it doesnt improve your physical shape!!

so,please a bit more fairness and hindsight in the future....

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and what i dont like too is that often used argument "come on,they earn enough money,so they have to be able to take it!!"what a rub!what has one thing to do with another?sure,it makes some things easier,but it doesnt improve your physical shape!!
You are a whiny waste of space who seems to believe any criticism (no matter how politely put) of any player (no matter how disgraceful her conduct) is hateful, disrespectful and unwarranted. My reply was addressed more at your ramblings in general than at the specific issue of jetlag.

And no, jetlag is no excuse for poor oncourt performances. Sleep deprivation brought by jetlag will slow your reaction speed, but its main effects are mental, and not physical. And a couple of days are typically enough to recover from initial sleep deprivation (even if not from jetlag in itself).

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they get used to it i think, but if u read Jelena Jankovic blog she said all she did was sleep, so i suppose its like working shifts after a while it does become second nature
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based on the often unfairly and harsh comments made on underperforming players,a certain point sprang to my mind,which is,IMO,hindsighted too rarely:

-did you ever think about,how extremely stressful and exhausting the travelling and especially the constant changing of timezones is for the girls??they travel from one point in the world to another,often in the space of 1 week!!if you are a normal tourist,that apologises for being "jet-lagged",its fine and accepted.so how about being a bit more easy on the girls,for not being able to bring up constantly top efforts??

just a thought....

speak your mind,people!!
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I just don't like people doing this - the first day when their favourite player wins the match she is goddes for huge amount of people and the second day when she lose people are throwing rocks on her.

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You are a whiny waste of space who seems to believe any criticism (no matter how politely put) of any player (no matter how disgraceful her conduct) is hateful, disrespectful and unwarranted. My reply was addressed more at your ramblings in general than at the specific issue of jetlag.

And no, jetlag is no excuse for poor oncourt performances. Sleep deprivation brought by jetlag will slow your reaction speed, but its main effects are mental, and not physical. And a couple of days are typically enough to recover from initial sleep deprivation (even if not from jetlag in itself).

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alibaby bullies when he can and whines when he can't, in the name of "protecting" women's tennis players from criticism. Guess what? The players have a public and very well paid job. They are subject to having their performances evaluated. Ever since he came here, this guy has always thought somebody appointed him this board's official guardian and censor. Too bad he doesn't post in Non-Tennis because i'd 'd love to see him trying to control people's political views.
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Take American baseball as an example. They play a 180 day schedule, with 19 days off, most of which are spent travelling. If you just grab a player in the clubhouse, on any given day, there's at least a 25% chance he won't be able to tell you what day of the week it is.

Sure, they battle, they fight, but it's a tough life.

Now, in international tennis, it's exacerbated. You aren't just talking about Arizona, then Colorado, then LA. You are talking all over the world.

It might seem great, and it is for a lot of players. But the grind gets to everyone. I don't care if you are staying at the Four Seasons in NY and the George V in Paris. It's still constant travel, constant jetlag, constant arriving, departing, getting settled just to leave a few days later.

It definitely takes its toll. And the season is longer now than it used to be. The grind is harder. And the players feel the effects, both on the court and off. That's why someone like Maria Sharapova isn't playing as many tournaments.

The season needs to be shortened, and the ranking system needs to be changed. Too many good, young players are getting ground up and thrown aside, due to both mental and physical stress.
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Take American baseball as an example. They play a 180 day schedule, with 19 days off, most of which are spent travelling. If you just grab a player in the clubhouse, on any given day, there's at least a 25% chance he won't be able to tell you what day of the week it is.

Sure, they battle, they fight, but it's a tough life.

Now, in international tennis, it's exacerbated. You aren't just talking about Arizona, then Colorado, then LA. You are talking all over the world.

It might seem great, and it is for a lot of players. But the grind gets to everyone. I don't care if you are staying at the Four Seasons in NY and the George V in Paris. It's still constant travel, constant jetlag, constant arriving, departing, getting settled just to leave a few days later.

It definitely takes its toll. And the season is longer now than it used to be. The grind is harder. And the players feel the effects, both on the court and off. That's why someone like Maria Sharapova isn't playing as many tournaments.

The season needs to be shortened, and the ranking system needs to be changed. Too many good, young players are getting ground up and thrown aside, due to both mental and physical stress.

thanks for writing a lengthy post telling us something we didn't know already and which hasn't been said almost word for word hundreds of times before.

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