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Clay rankings (subjective)

1) Serena (won the French, nuff said. Add Rome and finals of Berlin. Won some tough matches over Jenny and 1 for 2 against Justine. Demolished Venus today)
2) Jennifer (started the clay season off quite rusty but played some great tennis in Rome and play BETTER than Venus did but had the unfortunate luck to be on the same side as Serena. Nonetheless she took sets off of Serena both times on clay)
2) Justine (yes she lost in the first round but was VERY sick, but was playing great in Amelia Island where she SHOULD have beaten Venus. Really played great in Berlin being the only player to beat Serena on RED clay and demolished Jennifer in the last two sets and then followed up with a finals of Rome where she pushed Serena despite a leg injury)
4) Venus (came back on Justine early in the season but really did not play great there or in Hamburg finals. Lost badly to Serena today and had only one tough opponent in a sick Monica Seles)
5) Patty Schnyder ( she played quite well in Charleston beating so many players like Momo, Cappy and Serena. Nearly beat Majoli despite worn out and then played quite well against Capriati in the fourth round of the French)
6) Kim Clijsters (won Hamburg otherwise not too good)
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Now starts the grass season. Expect Serena to play very well, followed by Venus, Justine, Jennifer, Jelena, Lindsay, Alexandra, Daniela and maybe Kim. No particular predictions for who will be the best but Serena seems the best bet. Still expect Venus to really fight for her turf and Jennifer, Justine and Daniela to really shine. Lindsay is just coming back so who knows with her. Jelena also unpredictable as well as Alexandra and Kim who has not had the best results on grass but still respectable. Kim should hit with Lleyton on grass some which would really show her how to get things done on that surface. Kim's got a good serve, good dropshots, good overheads and good movement. All of these should make her good on grass. She also volleys pretty well. Hopefully Monica can get going but she has never shown herself to be good on grass. nonetheless she is too great of a player to ignore. Also don't forget Arantxa and Conchita who do know how to play on grass.
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"against a sick Monica Seles"?

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Speaking of 'oh-was-she-sick?' I notice you listed Kim and Patty Schnyder as better players on clay than Ms. Seles.

BTW, putting Venus behind two players who CANNOT beat her, on clay or any other surface, is .... actually defensible, in this case. But it LOOKS strange.

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Monica was sick. Ask her fans. That was widely reported BEFORE the match. Also Monica was sick during Rome and did not train properly for the French. She just played quite poorly. Venus did not play well against Monica. She played okay or good enough but not that well. Monica played all out aggression, maybe too much. Venus played a great match against RUBIN who gave Venus the type of ball she wanted. She even struggled in the second set against Fernandez. Venus had an admirable clay court season, no doubt about it. I just think Serena was clearly better and Justine and Jennifer were also a bit better based on the matches I watched. It's my subjective opinion based purely on the type of errors produced by each player, based on their winners, movement, all around play basically.
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Sorry, I think Marti had the best clay season this year...

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Volcana, it does look strange. You are right about Justine and Jennifer not beating Venus. Jennifer, of course, did not play Venus at all on clay and I am not sure that she would have won if she had. But I would have given her at least a 50-50 chance to finally beat her. I just don't feel that Venus played great tennis on clay. It was good tennis but honestly, she was outplayed by Justine in Amelia Island and even Venus said "she thought she was going down" Venus was mentally stronger and Justine cracked. But then Justine learned from that and beat Serena and played great in Rome so that is why I felt she was more impressive. But it does feel weird to put Venus behind those two. I still stand by that but like I said it's subjective.
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This makes no sense.
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wow thanks guys! I don't believe you are being sincere at all but a Martina needing surgery playing with three torn tendons with inflammation all over her legs and hips was still able to break Venus five times in two sets in Hamburg and beat Hantuchova in straight sets. She then won the doubles finals 6-1, 6-0 over Hantuchova and Sanchez-Vicario. So I felt proud of her clay court "season" over all considering everything Martina was battling physically and mentally. Honestly though, one tournament does not a clay court season make.
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Hey My good friend Treufreund

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I think what Treufreund is trying to interpret it who has had the best Clay Season. An Example- Serena has won French Open and Italian which makes her very good, but Patty right down the end of the line has had formidable wins over highly ranked top players which makes her a standout.

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Speaking of Martina:

What is she coming back with in terms of firepower. It's obvious that she was injesting alot of power from the power hitters. Probably the reason why she's injured.

I belive she is devoid of a weapon against the top 3.
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I think the thing between Venus and being really good at playing more the style of clay court artists is sliding. I've read interviews where Venus says she 'doesn't like' sliding. And Venus had a pretty successful caly court season even with taking long strides and big swings at every thing. But it's almost winning in spite ofd the surface. Serena really adapted her game to the surface. She slides, she slices, she comes close enough to patient to spell it, anyway, which for her is a considerable advance.

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Martina played with quite a bit of FIREPOWER in SYDNEY and MELBOURNE and TOKYO and INDIAN WELLS against Seles. She lacked stamina. But Martina has much more firepower than you realize. Also she is better than anyone at redirecting powerful shots with a different angle thus getting her opponents power to do the work. It takes perfect timing but she did that 100% against Capriati in Melbourne until she buckled under the heat and against Shaughnessy and Clijsters in Sydney. martina will NEVER have the power of Williams, Pierce, Davenport but she has been working on developing a flatter, more powerful backhand and forehand but due to her injuries could not always plant her feet properly. However in Scottsdale against Serena I saw HINGIS hit one of the hardest hit two handed backhands from a female tennis player. The ball came at serena so hard that it nearly knocked Serena down and blasted the racquet out of Serena's hand. Serena shrieked stunned.. The ball was good. I also saw Martina DEMOLISH TESTUD in Sydney 6-2, 6-4 with VERY powerful forehands and backhands. Martina will never be a power player but she can generate LOADS MORE POWER THAN YOU MIGHT REALIZE. If I could compile highlights of some of Martina's more powerful shots you might even kinda like her since you seems to be a power junkie Heavyhitter.
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