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BORING WOMEN of the OPEN (WTA bashing article quotes Worchester, Collins,Carillo)

http://www.observer.com/20060828/200...newsstory7.asp

Some of this article is true, but it reeks of foreign player bashing to moi. Sure, Hingis is called charismatic here, but that's because she was gone so long that people like her now. Nadal is so hyped, and so is Roger, off course it's difficult for Elena D's to find herself in articles. I dont' find anything wrong with Amelie's answer in the final sentence - she doesn't want to trash talk. What's wrong with that?

The Boring Women of the Open
By John Koblin

Staring hard at the women’s draw on an oversized sign at the Pilot Pen tennis tournament last week in New Haven, Conn., Carol Nadel quietly mouthed some names to herself.

“There aren’t that many names I know,” said the 64-year-old fan. “Myskina—I know her. But I couldn’t pick her out of a line-up.”

It’s the story of women’s tennis. Like the draw here at the last warm-up tournament before the U.S. Open, the field isn’t so much weak as it is anonymous.

Just a few years ago, the women’s game was controlled by a set of first-class divas, a set of athletes the public knew simply as Serena, Venus, Jen, Monica and Martina.*

But most of those first names will be absent when the Open arrives in Flushing this week. Thanks to injuries, attrition and indifference, the dramatic running rivalries that used fuel the sport’s popularity are a thing of the past. Also gone are all the diva-driven dramatics that lured fans to Center Court every big Sunday.

As far as the current players are concerned, the marked decrease in crazy tennis dads, players bumping during changeovers and incidents of trash talking is a good thing.

“Trash-talking is over now,” said Wimbledon champ Amélie Mauresmo, her hair wet after stepping out of the shower after practice in New Haven. “Today, players might think something, but they won’t say it in public like they used to.”

“There’s a difference from a few years ago,” quietly observed Justine Henin-Hardenne, the five-time Grand Slam champion, clearly more uncomfortable than Mauresmo while answering questions from the local press. “There’s still a lot of conflict on the court, but off the court it’s probably better now.”*

But the dirty secret of women’s tennis is that it thrives on conflict.

In many ways, Henin-Hardenne’s ascendance the last three years reflects the change that women’s tennis has undergone, with the brash, outsized personalities of Venus Williams and Martina Hingis replaced by one of the most brooding, press-shy athletes in sports.***

“Back then, you had everything,” said L. Jon Wertheim, tennis reporter for Sports Illustrated, with more than a hint of wistfulness. “You had a racial component, a burnout component, a tragic back-story. It was like a sitcom, and everyone had an easily reducible role.*

“The buzz factor isn’t nearly what it was five years ago. It’s harder to get a grip on the sport. The sport thrives on these back-stories, and fans don’t know who they’re rooting for. Elena Dementieva is a perfectly pleasant person, but the average fan doesn’t have a grip on who she is.”

Put simply, today’s women players aren’t household names.

“You don’t say ‘Anastasia’ or ‘Elena’ and say, ‘Yeah!’” said NBC tennis analyst Bud Collins.*

Those first-name players pull the game up to its highest reaches. They brought the women into prime time for the U.S. Open final. They raised higher purses for tournaments. They were cover girls.

After several decades’ worth of domination at the hands of the men’s game, the television ratings for the women’s Grand Slam finals finally began to match—and oftentimes beat—the men’s finals’ ratings.

Sports columnists everywhere were suddenly speaking of the greater virtues of the women’s game: It had more rallies than the men’s game, and the good matches were a crisp two hours—the length of a college-basketball game.

Now those encomiums have been replaced by excuses.Chief among them this year—as cited in interviews with Women’s Tennis Association officials—seems to be that the women’s tour needs more Americans. But take one look at the men’s tour and that argument dissolves. The men’s game is experiencing a renaissance on the backs of two foreigners: the invincible Roger Federer and the handsome, exciting Rafael Nadal.*

In fact, the player who has the best chance to bring any buzz back to the women’s game is Russian-born Maria Sharapova— currently the highest-paid female in the history of sports. But for all of the Canon commercials and her squeaky-clean image, Sharapova still hasn’t won a Slam since her elegant 2004 slaying of Serena Williams at the Wimbledon final, at the age of 17.*

Which leaves Mauresmo and Henin-Hardenne as the closest thing to genuine stars that the W.T.A. has to offer.

*“Justine and Amélie are kind, they’re smart, but they’re also shy and not wildly outgoing,” said Anne Worcester, former chief executive of the W.T.A. and current director of the Pilot Pen Tournament in New Haven. “But when Venus Williams and Irina Spirlea bump each other, fans like that drama and they like that tension.”

Ms. Worcester was referring to the moment in the 1997 U.S. Open when Spirlea threw her shoulder into Williams’ body during a changeover. Williams’ father, Richard, reacted by calling Spirlea a “big, tall, white turkey” after the match.

Consider the world-famous diva of women’s tennis during its apex: five-time Grand Slam champ Martina Hingis. Her most absurd highlight was calling Mauresmo, one of the few openly gay players on tour, “half a man.” A close second was her appearance in the 1999 French Open final, when Hingis called a bathroom break in the middle of her final against Steffi Graf, returned from the locker room with a new outfit and hairstyle, smashed her racket into the clay at one moment, underhanded her serve on Graf’s match point, slapped a W.T.A. official when she left the court and burst into tears when the French Open crowd booed her during the trophy presentation.

“Tension off the court brings drama on the court,” said Ms. Worcester. “Martina Hingis was charismatic. She had that grin, she’s mischievous, and when she said something, you want to listen. Fans like that.”

The tour’s malaise is perhaps best personified in Venus and Serena Williams. The Williams sisters—love them or hate them—invited a massive amount of attention with their years-long domination of the sport. But now, at a time when the sisters should still be in the prime of their careers, Serena is barely ranked in the Top 100 and Venus is hurt, adding to the sense of a pervasive culture of injuries, absence and indifference around the tour.

“The players aren’t supporting the tour,” said NBC and CBS tennis analyst Mary Carillo. “Mauresmo has blown off the entire hard-court season. Then there are injuries and phony injuries—Clijsters is out for two months.*

“They don’t think about growing the game; they think about growing their bank account,” Ms. Carillo continued. “There’s been a recession for years, but the players don’t feel it. They’re making more. You can’t convince them that tennis is in trouble. They can’t feel it; their agents can’t feel it. They’re living in an entirely different reality.”*

Along with that is the loss of any true rivalry in the sport. Federer and Nadal have played each other five times this year. Years ago, Hingis and Venus Williams would play each other as many times. But with the biggest names withdrawing from tournaments or spreading to different warm-ups, there’s no chance for two players to establish a rivalry.

“It’s hard to build a brand here,” said Mr. Wertheim, the Sports Illustrated reporter. “After Sharapova beat Serena at Wimbledon, that was supposed to be the next great rivalry. I’m not sure they’ve played two times since then.”*

But perhaps there’s reason for hope: After retiring several years ago due to injuries— and her consistent failure against the Williams sisters—Hingis is making a comeback, and is entering the Open ranked ninth in the world and with a legitimate shot at making it into the final.

In an interview with Play, The New York Times’ quarterly sports magazine, Hingis was asked if the women’s side was tougher since she returned. She said no and, with her typical grace and sense of sportsmanship, cited Mauresmo’s success as Exhibit A for the decline in the game’s quality.*

On Sunday, while Mauresmo was signing balls and posters for fans, she was told by a reporter what Hingis had said.*

Her hand immediately froze. Her face tightened. Her chin twitched.* But, in keeping with the times, she quickly regained her composure.*

Answering a question about Hingis and her comeback, she said, “I think it’s quite amazing.”

There was no hint of sarcasm.

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*(Anne W better shut up, and be damn greatful that they're even at her silly tournament in New Haven!!!!)

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Very true article. I have nothing to add.
The SPORT needs RIVALRY!!!!
Injuries, lack of charisma, lack of drama, lower quality, the withdrawals and still they earn more and more that's just hilarious. Carillo is right. They live in a different reality. Everyone is so polite, like the score of a game was set before it even starts
Martina is a bigmouthed diva - she sometimes speaks her mind, and that was a good point about Amelie, who reacted with class.

And it's a pity that Masha Vs Serena didn't develope into a great rivalry.

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Typical sexist article. Does anyone think Federer is too nice or too boring? No, they focus on his tennis. Justine and Amelie have brought variety and touch back to the top of womens' tennis but, obviously, that doesn't matter because they're women and they're only interested if they're having a cat fight.
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Yeah it's too boring according to them because the top players aren't American.

Who cares about what American Joes think about the non-American players?
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ugh!! what a disgusting article!
and am i reading that right? are some people (carillo) implying that players like Justine and Amélie don't support the WTATour?!

It's simply absurd. If they would emphasize a bit more on the ABILITY of some of today's topplayers they wouldn't be so hung up about the lack of (sorry, but I call this "soapopera personnality. it isn't because you don't talk about singing, dancing and dating that you don't have a personnality. Let some players (belgian, french, russian, ...) talk in their mother tongue and make some others answer in a second language. let's see how exciting they would be.

Pfff, ridiculous article. Thx for posting anyway.

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I agree about the rivalry bit, but that's about all.

I don't like Hingis making that comment about Amelie's success showing the sport is in decline. It's untrue and bang out of order. Rivalries are built on the court, not in the playground.

I've kind of gathered that you have absolutely no idea what to expect any more, and I'll just kind of take it as it happens.
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[QUOTE=saki]Typical sexist article. Does anyone think Federer is too nice or too boring? No, they focus on his tennis. Justine and Amelie have brought variety and touch back to the top of womens' tennis but, obviously, that doesn't matter because they're women and they're only interested if they're having a cat fight.[/QUOTE]
Very well said. Aren't these the same guys who have been worshipping at the feet of Federer for so long they have not even noticed that besides nadal and roger himself having an off day, nobody else is going to win anything. Roger has made the likes of roddick and hewitt look very ordinary indeed. When the williams did that to their peers a while ago, they were accused of being 'too big, having a physical adv. which was deemed as unfair (nevermind that lindsay/jen were the recipients of these losses) etc
I do believe it is the same media who can build or destroy personality(look what they have done with maria), they should be out there building the tour not destrying it.
Nontheless i do agree that constant injuries have robbed us tennis fans of rivalries. We have waited 3 years to see a rematch between justine and venus.

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Typical sexist article. Does anyone think Federer is too nice or too boring? No, they focus on his tennis. Justine and Amelie have brought variety and touch back to the top of womens' tennis but, obviously, that doesn't matter because they're women and they're only interested if they're having a cat fight.[/QUOTE]
Very well said. Aren't these the same guys who have been worshipping at the feet of Federer for so long they have not even noticed that besides nadal and roger himself having an off day, nobody else is going to win anything. Roger has made the likes of roddick and hewitt look very ordinary indeed. When the williams did that to their peers a while ago, they were accused of being 'too big, having a physical adv. which was deemed as unfair (nevermind that lindsay/jen were the recipients of these losses) etc
I do believe it is the same media who can build or destroy personality(look what they have done with maria), they should be out there building the tour not destrying it.
Nontheless i do agree that constant injuries have robbed us tennis fans of rivalries. We have waited 3 years to see a rematch between justine and venus.
Very much agreed, and well put

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So Amelie and Justine aren't rivals?

Trust the americans to want to turn tennis into a soap opera!
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Funny, when the top women were metting each other on a regular basis in the business end of tournaments, the media portrayed it as a bad thing, saying it made the sport too predictable. But now that it's happening on the men's side, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Typical double-standard bs.

Shame on Wertheim for his terrible memory. Serena and Maria met 2 times within the next 6 months after her WImbledon triumph.

And what's this crap about the lack of marquee names? Are these people serious? Do they honestly think that Roger and Rafa are big stars in the U.S.? If they do, they need to be drug tested. The superstars in tennis, to the American sportsfan, are Williams(x2), Kournikova, Sharapova, Agassi Hingis, Navratilova, Seles, Capriati. The next level includes players like Davenport, Pierce, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Henin, Vaidisova. In fact, Kim pulls in bigger TV numbers in the states than any ATP player not named Agassi. So they have to watch which tour they're slamming, or someone might actually write the facts.

It would serve Worcester right if the players took offense and withdrew from her tourney.

And another tidbit from the memory hole: during the height of the "diva" period, weren't these same folks saying the women should get rid of all of the extraneous stuff and concentrate on tennis. Now that the elite players are doing just that, they get criticized again. Make up your minds, media.

Another sloppy, agenda-driven article.
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Well I have to say this article is right on the money and top of all this a player of Lindsay stature wants to play in two tournements she wasn't orinally entered in one of which was lacking for stars and the tour goes for the rulebook over something that could've helped to grow the game. Larry Scott wonders why the tours stuffed maybe he should try listening to Lindsay more what she has to say makes alot of sense if he ever bothered to listen. Instead of telling reports how wrong she is. Lindsay keep standing up for what's right someone might listen to you.
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exactly! i remmebr "in those days" women players got sdlammed for being too much of catfighting tennagers. Now they talk about their winecollections, charities, skydiving, lots are trilingual and yet it's still not good

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its not nice if hingis really said that, momo beat her 2 times since her return and she still said momo's success is a decline

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And what's this crap about the lack of marquee names? Are these people serious? Do they honestly think that Roger and Rafa are big stars in the U.S.? If they do, they need to be drug tested. The superstars in tennis, to the American sportsfan, are Williams(x2), Kournikova, Sharapova, Agassi Hingis, Navratilova, Seles, Capriati. The next level includes players like Davenport, Pierce, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Henin, Vaidisova. In fact, Kim pulls in bigger TV numbers in the states than any ATP player not named Agassi.
Oh please.

For the millionth time you come up with your unproven WTA spin.
Any source for that last sentence? Oh right, you have none.
And Vaidisova more famous that Federer and Nadal? No one has ever heard about her.
You might have forgotten about Roddick too btw.
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Yeah it's too boring according to them because the top players aren't American.

Who cares about what American Joes think about the non-American players?


That's exactly what I thought when reading it! No Americans in the top 10, that's why!
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