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Graf vs Seles. Amazing clips!

I thought I would not post here again coz of my studies but I could not resist

I saw it on another forum. I think Graf vs Seles is a rivalry that could not deliver upto its potential because of that unfortunate event of 1993. But proof of their great rivalry and also how top players should bring out their best consistantly against one another can be seen in these clips.

Wimbledon 92 final

RG 89

French 92??


for both of them.

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I was just watching Graf vs Seles Aus opne final 1993 today and some of the rallies are amazing.

This is whats missing in womens tennis a great rivalry with both oppoents with a different style all most girls due now is bang the ball 200mph if some do that and some do other styles the game should get more interesting.

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I was just watching Graf vs Seles Aus opne final 1993 today and some of the rallies are amazing.

This is whats missing in womens tennis a great rivalry with both oppoents with a different style all most girls due now is bang the ball 200mph if some do that and some do other styles the game should get more interesting.
My thoughts exactly. Seles was hitting so hard and was so consistant! Graf was so fast! I loved their matches.
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In essence, it was the battle of a great shotmaker vs a great athlete. Both women had a tremendous amount of respect for each other. Both were mentally strong and never even thought of tanking a point, let alone a game or a set. They didn't make a ton of errors as well, yet hit the ball with considerable pace. Both women pushed each other higher and higher as the match went on, demanding excellence from each other.

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i love them both
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The 1993 Aussie final was the greatest match I've ever seen. Graf was at her best, but Seles had all the answers and raised her level beyond anything even she'd ever accomplished just to beat her great rival. A set down, there was no fear in her eyes, nor frustration, just sheer resolve and steely intensity. At that point she looked so convincing. As if she really was about to become the greatest player that ever lived. We'll never know what would have happened had she been able to play the rest of 1993.

That rally in the French Open final of 1992 was just breathtaking. Graf's movement was beautiful, but Seles really had her teeth in and wasn't going to remove them until she angled that final winner.

In 1989, at just 15, Seles was noticeably hitting lighter shots. Graf was just such an immense physical presence. She looked far taller than 5'9, such was the length of her legs. She just never looked stretched.

And then the final of Wimbledon, 1992. I think it's fair to say Graf played a brilliant match and Seles may not have won her first final (at least that year) even with the grunting.

These are two of the greatest players who ever lived. To me, having lived through their matches, they always will be special.

They were both so intense, loved the game, relished the competition, wanted every ball. There was respect, if no great love between the two. They did whatever it took. Winning was everything to them. There was no diva-esque moaning and feigned injuries we see today. Great, great, great champions.
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And I love to see Graf and Seles fans on the same plateform appreciating both of them. In reality both of them deserve immense respect for their amazing talents.
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The 1993 Aussie final was the greatest match I've ever seen. Graf was at her best, but Seles had all the answers and raised her level beyond anything even she'd ever accomplished just to beat her great rival. A set down, there was no fear in her eyes, nor frustration, just sheer resolve and steely intensity. At that point she looked so convincing. As if she really was about to become the greatest player that ever lived. We'll never know what would have happened had she been able to play the rest of 1993.

That rally in the French Open final of 1992 was just breathtaking. Graf's movement was beautiful, but Seles really had her teeth in and wasn't going to remove them until she angled that final winner.

In 1989, at just 15, Seles was noticeably hitting lighter shots. Graf was just such an immense physical presence. She looked far taller than 5'9, such was the length of her legs. She just never looked stretched.

And then the final of Wimbledon, 1992. I think it's fair to say Graf played a brilliant match and Seles may not have won her first final (at least that year) even with the grunting.

These are two of the greatest players who ever lived. To me, having lived through their matches, they always will be special.

They were both so intense, loved the game, relished the competition, wanted every ball. There was respect, if no great love between the two. They did whatever it took. Winning was everything to them. There was no diva-esque moaning and feigned injuries we see today. Great, great, great champions.
I completely agree...you really cannot add to that.
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I was just watching Graf vs Seles Aus opne final 1993 today and some of the rallies are amazing.

This is whats missing in womens tennis a great rivalry with both oppoents with a different style all most girls due now is bang the ball 200mph if some do that and some do other styles the game should get more interesting.
Referring to the second paragraph, what's missing in women's tennis is just a solid, exciting rivalry. When Serena Williams and Jennifer Capriati played, their matches were exciting, dramatic, and usually high-quality, despite the fact that they both have similar styles of play. Same thing goes with Serena Williams and Maria Sharapova - had Serena made 2005 a consistent and healthy year, they could have played some great matches and continued their hot rivalry. I don't think it necessarily means that to have a good rivalry is to have two players with different styles of play. Obviously, it would be nice to see Hingis play Venus all the time, but the game has evolved. The closest thing we have to a rivalry now are some of the Russians, and Kim and Justine - where one of them has no desire to win anymore.

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In essence, it was the battle of a great shotmaker vs a great athlete. Both women had a tremendous amount of respect for each other. Both were mentally strong and never even thought of tanking a point, let alone a game or a set. They didn't make a ton of errors as well, yet hit the ball with considerable pace. Both women pushed each other higher and higher as the match went on, demanding excellence from each other.
I definitely agree. It is true that their matches were battles of shotmaking vs. athleticsm, but Seles still moved well and Graf was a great shotmaker. Nothing was missing in that rivalry.

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It would be great to have a couple of players reaching finals almost all the times and raising the bar of women's tennis in general.
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It would be great to have a couple of players reaching finals almost all the times and raising the bar of women's tennis in general.
Venus and Serena were the last to do that. The whole Tour raised their games. Then everyone got injured and here we are today.

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These are two of the greatest players who ever lived. To me, having lived through their matches, they always will be special.

They were both so intense, loved the game, relished the competition, wanted every ball. There was respect, if no great love between the two. They did whatever it took. Winning was everything to them. There was no diva-esque moaning and feigned injuries we see today. Great, great, great champions.
well-said.

lucky you, you got to live thru that era of tennis.. i was too young at that time..and we didn't have coverage of tennis even if i was old enough

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I think the title should have been 'graf vs seles amazing videos!!' more people would have seen it. they should see prime seles and graf esp those who so easily disregard their achivements by saying they had no compitition. infact they were so good that no one could compete with them. these two are the only one who can fit in any generation and compete with them and beat them by equipments present at respective times.
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I loved Monica's and Steffi's rivalry they are two of the greatest of all time and two of my all time favorite players,they definetly took Tennis to a new level with their steely wills and high quality matches.
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