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Best Quote I have heard about Equal Pay

"Women are held to a different standard. When those blowouts come in the early rounds, the critics come down on them. If we get a few more, the critics will jump -- especially in this year (Wimbledon) when everyone is talking about equal prize money. But that's not the point. We don't punch a clock; we don't get paid by the game or set. When you have the same job, then anything less than equality is just wrong."-- ESPN commentator Pam Shriver on the many early blowouts on the women's side at Wimbledon and the pay-equality dispute in 2006.

I think this is the best arguement for equal pay in tennis.

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There was a study done recently in Europe. It questioned the reasons why women are paid less than men and it studies the progress over the last 100 years about equal pay at work (no, it is not just pro tennis, women are consistently paid less for the same work men do - all over the world).

I won't go into the details, but the summary is that it'll take another 150 years before women's accomplishments at work will have the same payouts then men's.

So, we do not need to agitate - our great grandchildren will and our female great great grandchildren might have the benefit
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My stance is I don't care. either way.

This is such a tired argument. If the women had any balls; they'd boycott Wimbledon (I believe they are the bug culprit) or any tournament that is screwing them over.

Until they do that; stop moaning about it and play.

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As far as a global issue; Women are unique creatures, They want the door opened for them, they want to be wined and dined. They generally want to be treated like ladies. Like the princess that they are.

But they want equality as well.
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My stance is I don't care. either way.

This is such a tired argument. If the women had any balls; they'd boycott Wimbledon (I believe they are the bug culprit) or any tournament that is screwing them over.

Until they do that; stop moaning about it and play.
Well, then women should boycott any gainful employment at this point. And then, most men would not be able to finance their family sufficiently AND half of the work is not done - welcome back to the ice age
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the question of equal pay is a market issue, not a moral one.

when the WTA starts doing better than raising only 30% of the sponsorship money that the ATP has, their market position will be a little stronger.
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that article is the worst, weakest argument for equal pay that has been presented.
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that article is the worst, weakest argument for equal pay that has been presented.
"Let’s put it another way, the difference between men and women’s prize money in 2005 was £456,000 — less than was spent on ice cream and strawberries in the first week. So the refusal of the All England Club, which declared a profit of £25 million from last year’s tournament, to pay equal prize money can’t be about cash. It can only be trying to make a social and political point, one that is out of step with modern society. "

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There was a study done recently in Europe. It questioned the reasons why women are paid less than men and it studies the progress over the last 100 years about equal pay at work (no, it is not just pro tennis, women are consistently paid less for the same work men do - all over the world).

I won't go into the details, but the summary is that it'll take another 150 years before women's accomplishments at work will have the same payouts then men's.

So, we do not need to agitate - our great grandchildren will and our female great great grandchildren might have the benefit
I love your signature and I assume your post is offered with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

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I think this is the best arguement for equal pay in tennis.
It's the only argument worth making.
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People like Pam only seem to have this debate when Wimbledon is on but why do we stop there? Indian Wells men's event has $3.1 million compared to $2.1 million for the women - and the men don't play best of 5 in IW. Italian Open on the men's tour pay $2.45 million, but on the women's tour they get $1.34 million - almost half the men for the same equivalent Tier. The end of year Championships on the women's tour get $750,000 less overall prize money - and that's with doubles combined (the men's doubles YEC is totally separate). Wimbledon can make their own rules as they're not WTA Tour owned. Why aren't the WTA Tour giving the same prize money to the women for the YEC and IW, when they do have the power to make it equal?


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I love your signature and I assume your post is offered with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
Yep, but I am (unfortunately) neither that smart nor that down-to-earth. *sighs*

With regard to the latter: I'll never forget her "Brevity is the soul of lingerie". Or "One more drink and I'll be under the host".

And I do adore her 'whore to culture' phrase, but you were quicker than I.
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Yep, but I am (unfortunately) neither that smart nor that down-to-earth. *sighs*

With regard to the latter: I'll never forget her "Brevity is the soul of lingerie". Or "One more drink and I'll be under the host".

And I do adore her 'whore to culture' phrase, but you were quicker than I.
Another of my favorites, reportedly said at a debutante's ball: "If all these young ladies were laid end to end, I wouldn't be a bit surprised."

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Another of my favorites, reportedly said at a debutante's ball: "If all these young ladies were laid end to end, I wouldn't be a bit surprised."
She really knew how to play the language.

Another example: "Trapped, like a trap in a trap" or some such.
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