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Slower courts???

Amelie stated that the court was slower. I can't help but wonder what the tourney organizers are doing.

Why do these tourney organizers keep f'in with the court speed , the balls weight etc??? They are trying to nullify the "power" game. They say to make the game more "competetive"

I think that the player's traing alone should be what makes the game "more competetive"

Please go back to the grass that was used in 1995 or earlier and let the players development control the competetiveness of the game.

This way just maybe we could compare players from different eras
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It helps baseliners more than anything. You see the biggest change on the men's side...in a span of 10 years or less most of the men do not serve & volley at Wimbledon anymore.
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Amelie stated that the court was slower.
I noticed that too. Until now I thought it was mostly excuses from players who are tipped to do well at Wimbledon but don't. I noticed, when comparing the bounce, that Wimbledon seemed slower than Eastbourne, and *way* slower than Queen's. Even so, it seemed reasonably fast for the first couple of days or so, while the grass was wet and not as worn and damaged as it is now. But I dismissed it, since it's something that is difficult to assess merely by watching it on a TV screen.

But if Mauresmo herself said it, when she was the winner and had no need for excuses, then there must be something to it.

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Why do you think Nadal is in the final, altough I'm absolutely thrilled about that.
I hope he beats Federer. This is why players like Gonzalez can get further in the draw at Wimbledon.
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Slowing the courts helps baseliners???!!!

I thought it was the opposite.
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Slowing the courts helps baseliners???!!!

I thought it was the opposite.
It is the oppostie slowing down the court is a disadvantage to power players who hit big groundstrokes from the baseline....which is the cause of Venus early round exit....and also the reason Justine was able to make it to the final.
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Slowing the courts helps baseliners???!!!

I thought it was the opposite.
Well said. It is just the previous posters are tennis ignoramuses. Also any child knows that as days pass by , grass wears out and turns intp dirt, quasy clay.
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It is the oppostie slowing down the court is a disadvantage to power players who hit big groundstrokes from the baseline....which is the cause of Venus early round exit....and also the reason Justine was able to make it to the final.
This is sort of what I was thinking, and also we did not see many players slipping on the grass (dirt) as in past years.

To be fair Venus played very badly in the third round and Justine has the game to make a final, but I still hate that there are those that choose to manipulate the game, rather than just let the players play.

They HAVE slowed down the court and I think it sucks!
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It helps baseliners more than anything. You see the biggest change on the men's side...in a span of 10 years or less most of the men do not serve & volley at Wimbledon anymore.
That's what I think too, it helps the baseliners...

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That's what I think too, it helps the baseliners...
Excuse me, but How in the HELL can slowing down the courts help baseliners??

I wait with baited breath.....
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Clarification: Baseliners thrive on power and speed. The low bounce gives them an advantage on hard courts and up until recently even more so on grass courts.

I would hazard to guess that now even hard courts except AO are FASTER than Wimbledon. The only thing left at Wimby is the awkward bounce that can occur on the worn surface.

The game at Wimbledon has changed, and I think not for the better.
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Ummm.. I am rethinking this and I can see how it would hurt serve and volley players.

So perhaps some of you have a point.

To serve and volley you must have a great serve which will be less formidable on a slower court. Perhaps I am wrong on this.

Maybe it is why Pete Sampras stopped winning there.
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Excuse me, but How in the HELL can slowing down the courts help baseliners??

I wait with baited breath.....
For a start the serves don't go through the court so fast, so returners on the baseline get a better view of the serve and a better chance to return. Having a better chance to return means any incoming serve-volleyer would have to make a really good volley to stay in control of the point so many people don't serve-volley anymore. With less people serve-volleying baseliners don't have to come up with so many passes. They can rally from the baseline. When the courts where extra fast, they wouldn't often even get into a rally to being with - especially on the mens side.


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Excuse me, but How in the HELL can slowing down the courts help baseliners??

I wait with baited breath.....
The problem is the logical leap. In three steps:

1) Slowing down the courts doesn't necessarily help baseliners with a big game.

2) Slowing down the courts favours defensive players, who can thus survive more powerful or more aggressive (i.e. net rushers) opponents more easily because a higher bounce/slower court provides them with the time they need to reach and return the big shots of their opponents, including serves.

3) But defensive players are all baseliners.

So we can qualify that statement by saying that slowing down the courts helps defensive baseliners.

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Tell me if this looks like a grasscourt


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