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Which is harder - Clay courters winning Wimbledon, or grass courters winning RG?

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Clay courters winning Wimbledon.

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Grass courters winning RG is the tougher assignment...ask Sampras and McEnroe...

and look at the uncrowned 'clay court' queen Martinez beating Navratilova, who would've thunk it.
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History shows it's clearly the latter.

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Well, let's take a quick glance at how winners of one event have done at the other. Although it won't be definitive, it will give a good starting point. Some players have won both, so I've had to declare them either a clay courter or grass courter, regardless of which they won first. I'm doing this "on the fly" with the Media Guide, so I don't know exactly how it will turn out. (And this will basically cover the Open Era, as that will be closer to being relevant than Amateur era stats.)

Wimbledon winners- best RG performance:
S.Williams- W
V.Williams- F
Sharapova- QF
Davenport- SF
Novotna- SF
Hingis- F
Graf- W
Navratilova- W
Martinez- F* (Martinez should probably be classified as a clay courter)
Goolagong- W
Wade- QF
King- W
Court- W
Jones- W
Federer- F
Hewitt- QF
Ivanisevic- QF
Sampras- SF
Krajicek- QF
Agassi- W* (wasn't sure where to put him, as he's not either a grass or clay specialist)
Stich- F
Becker- SF
Edberg- F
Cash- ? missing from guide
McEnroe- F
Connors- SF
Ashe- QF
Smith- QF
Newombe- QF
Laver- W
-----------------------------------
Roland Garros winners- best Wimbledon finish:
Henin-Hardenne- F8 (pending Saturday)
Myskina- QF
Capriati- SF
Pierce- QF
Sanchez-Vicario- F
Majoli- QF
Seles- F
Evert- W
Mandlikova- F* (would classify her as a grass courter-- balances out Martinez on lists)
Ruzici- QF
Jausovec- QF
Barker- SF* (is better classified as a grass courter)
Richey- SF
Nadal- SF (pending Friday and Sunday)
Gaudio- 2r
Ferrero- 4r
Costa- 2r
Kuerten- QF
Moya- 4r
Kafelnikov- QF
Muster- 1r
Bruguera- 4r
Courier- F
Gomez- QF
Chang- QF
Wilander- QF
Lendl- F
Noah- 3r
Borg- W
Vilas- QF
Panatta- QF
Nastase- F*(grass courter?)
Gimeno- ? (not in guide)
Kodes- W
Rosewall- F*(grass courter)
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No time to delve into anything now, but this should make a decent starting point. Feel free to analyze and discuss.
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Grass courters winning Roland Garros.
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Grass courters winning Roland Garros.
exactly... look at Roger (ATP I know, but still...)

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Well, let's take a quick glance at how winners of one event have done at the other. Although it won't be definitive, it will give a good starting point. Some players have won both, so I've had to declare them either a clay courter or grass courter, regardless of which they won first. I'm doing this "on the fly" with the Media Guide, so I don't know exactly how it will turn out. (And this will basically cover the Open Era, as that will be closer to being relevant than Amateur era stats.)

Wimbledon winners- best RG performance:
S.Williams- W
V.Williams- F
Sharapova- QF
Davenport- SF
Novotna- SF
Hingis- F
Graf- W
Navratilova- W
Martinez- F* (Martinez should probably be classified as a clay courter)
Goolagong- W
Wade- QF
King- W
Court- W
Jones- W
Federer- F
Hewitt- QF
Ivanisevic- QF
Sampras- SF
Krajicek- QF
Agassi- W* (wasn't sure where to put him, as he's not either a grass or clay specialist)
Stich- F
Becker- SF
Edberg- F
Cash- ? missing from guide
McEnroe- F
Connors- SF
Ashe- QF
Smith- QF
Newombe- QF
Laver- W
-----------------------------------
Roland Garros winners- best Wimbledon finish:
Henin-Hardenne- F8 (pending Saturday)
Myskina- QF
Capriati- SF
Pierce- QF
Sanchez-Vicario- F
Majoli- QF
Seles- F
Evert- W
Mandlikova- F* (would classify her as a grass courter-- balances out Martinez on lists)
Ruzici- QF
Jausovec- QF
Barker- SF* (is better classified as a grass courter)
Richey- SF
Nadal- SF (pending Friday and Sunday)
Gaudio- 2r
Ferrero- 4r
Costa- 2r
Kuerten- QF
Moya- 4r
Kafelnikov- QF
Muster- 1r
Bruguera- 4r
Courier- F
Gomez- QF
Chang- QF
Wilander- QF
Lendl- F
Noah- 3r
Borg- W
Vilas- QF
Panatta- QF
Nastase- F*(grass courter?)
Gimeno- ? (not in guide)
Kodes- W
Rosewall- F*(grass courter)
------------------

No time to delve into anything now, but this should make a decent starting point. Feel free to analyze and discuss.

Serena Williams won RG then won Wimby! So she's a clay couter winning Wimbledon
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Many clay courter don't enter Wimby at all on the men's side (remember Bruguera, Muster, Kuerten, Corretja...)
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thats a tough one...on top of my head o think of players like muster, brugera, gaudio, chang, nadal, and they have never won wimbeldon

cant think of that many players on the other side....i mean theres sampras and federer. but federer will win an rg soon

i cant think of women...in that regard....women dont seem to have a big problem conquering both the surfaces.....henin has a point to prove tommorow.

I'm not young enough to know everything.
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Brian!

Cash' best RG-result is 4th Round in 88, same for Gimeno at Wimby in 69.
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