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If Lindsay finishes the year as #1? I think she has a losing record against both Williams...2-1 over Capriati but a loss at Major...added to that no GS titles in almost 2 years...Will there be controversy?....Will she REALLY be a worthy #1?
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I would be more comfortable with Lindsay as the number 1, as opposed to Jen. I think Lindsay is the better player.

We all understand why Venus and Serena aren't ranked as high as they should be and the stupid terrorists have f**ked everything else up, so why not the wta rankings?

Lindsay should be number 1 until Venus can get back on schedule.
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I agree with RMC.

Lindsay is better player than Jen

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The truth is, we have been spoiled by our great past champions. When Graf, Seles, Navratilova and Evert were ranked #1, they won slams and several other tournaments during the year, and held a winning head to head record over trhe majority of the top 10.

Today, the way they do the points system, the #1 ranking only indicates who is the best over all performer, not the best player. In my opinion Venus is the true #1 player, I don't care how many tournaments she did not play.

Venus won 2 slams, 6 events overall, and holds a winning head to head record over all the other top players ... nobody else does.

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isnt Venus 1-1 this year agianst Martina. For some reason MArtina plays better when she goes up against Venus.
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[quote]Originally posted by Blessings And Aloha:<br /><strong>isnt Venus 1-1 this year agianst Martina. For some reason MArtina plays better when she goes up against Venus.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, Venus is 1 and 1 with Martina this year, but Venus has a winning record against Davenport, Capriati and Seles ... while Hingis does not. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

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Lindsay has proven her worth as a No.1 before, thus there will be no controversy if she finishes as No.1 this year. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> It's not something like new to her. <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">

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Lindsay may get there after Chase Champs but come a week later or so she will lose it again when her points for Philly from last year (400 odd) drop off.

Lindsay hasn't won a Slam this year but she has had a very consistent year achieving highly in nearly every event she played - 6 titles, 2 semis in Slams and finals in other events. Perhaps not the best year but not a shabby year!!!

I just wish Venus would play more - win more - get to #1 so everyone would stop whining about the rankings system! <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> <img src="graemlins/kiss.gif" border="0" alt="[Kiss]" />
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If Lindsay finishes the year number one, she will have accumulated the most points over a 52 week period. In which case, of course she would deserve it.<br />The rankings are set up the same way for every single player, and each and every player who gets to number 1 deserves that ranking.

The only confusion that exists, is when people propose the rankings should be based on ability, not just results. I would be thrilled to see someone formulate a mathematical model of such a ranking system, that is not subjective in anyway whatsoever. I don't think it can be done, but woudl be thrilled to be proved wrong.
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As long as Venus isn't #1, any #1 will be controversial in many people's mind.

This will be the case until WTA changes the rankings system to suit the huge majority of people who can't remember more than a couple of months back, or until Venus actually cares enough to play 17 tournaments and prove the thesis of her supremacy right or wrong.

The rankings reflect the best player over the last year. If I go to an arbitrary tournament during a year, who will I be most likely to see in the semis and finals? The #1! Not the 'best' player who decided to stay home that week.

If I want to know who is best at the moment, I just check the final in the last tournament(s).
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The person who ends the year at number 1, is the number 1.<br />No controversy, No bleating from slighted fans....
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The thing before was only 1 woman dominated for long periods

Evert .... then Martina N , then along came Steffi who did brill until being upstaged by Monica who was totally dominant until "that incident" , when Steffi resumed until injury ....... which gave Hingis the limelight.

Now its anyone's guess to who is the best , in a couple of years or so it will be more like the ATP where anyone can beat anyone .

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I can only agree with TBE...

The fact is that all the women who ruled their decade played lots of matches, while these days the topplayers seem to play less tournements.<br />Or at least they seem to be concentrating on the Grand Slams only. That's why the top is getting bigger and bigger. <br />It's clear that Hingis isn't the best player of the world at the moment. But still she was on the first place for so long, just because she played lots of tournements and gathered points everywhere.

So we'll have to wait for a very good player who plays a lot, and then we'll have again a player who can rule her decade...
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i think lindsay would totally deserve it, its not ALL about winning slams, it about doing well at them, consistancy against other top players, and lindsay has been consistant - apart from the french where she could attend, but I reckon if she gets it she deserves it,
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Sorry Per4ever, but the AVERAGE number of events Evert, Navratilova, Graf, and Seles played was about 14. If you don't believe me go the International Tennis Federation website. All of this craziness with the computer started with the quantity over quality rankings system introduced in 1997.

Davenport as computer #1 would just make the computer more irrelevant. Hats off to Lindsay for joking about it with the press the other day. If it happens, at least she won't be caught up in the mess like Hingis was.

To most people #1 equals the BEST. <br />Venus was the best player of 2001. Not by a wide margin, since Capriati had 2 slams too-but since Venus won all 3 meetings, she ranks ahead.

Having a slamless #1 is a joke. Period. If only Venus fans thought so, then others such as myself, Big Lindsay, or most of the world's tennis press wouldn't be speaking up. I'll be the first in line to say I think Venus should play more, but that doesn't change the fact that 2001 she proved she was the best player.


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