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Retirements in GS Matches

Pagliacci, I'm just too lazy to look for your thread about Justine's retirement from the AO Open, but I've realized that on the men's side Djokovic retired in the QF against Nadal with illness and now Nalbandian has retired from the SF against Roger with issues (can't say what was wrong with him because the commentators don't know either).

I have yet to hear Djokovic get flack for retiring from the QF, which IMO is a big match, for him his biggest yet. I would be shocked if Nalby got any because the excuse has already been stated that he must really be bothered by whatever's wrong with him because he wouldn't retire from such a big match (SF).

Yet Justine got so much shit for retiring from the FINALS of OZ, a title she has won before and was in a position to win (because she was in the finals). It was useless defending that to people who just hate Justine or were looking for a reason to hate her.

Personally I am not a die-hard fan of Justine's; I love her game and I love her work ethic but she has admittedly done some questionable things in the past which have brought her reputation into disrepute. But to think that a four-time GS champion would pull out of a Championship match because she was getting badly beaten is ridiculous, especially someone of Justine's mental fortitude.

I think Justine was treated extremely unfairly considering how important winning a Slam is to any person and in particular to her, because she would have added another to her collection.

Frankly I don't know what Amelie was so upset about because she won, whether she won by default or not isn't her problem. Bottomline is she won.

But it's just so funny that Justine gets criticized from pillar to post by commentators and fans alike for retiring when she felt she couldn't continue in a CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL, but the same does not extend to the men and they have been retiring in lesser rounds.

My opinion about Justine's retirement in AO will never change: I think she retired because she felt she couldn't play anymore and that seems fair to me, at least there was no drama like her puking up the court and stretching out for back massages, taking bathroom breaks, etc. She knew there was nothing more that could be done for her so she retired. I don't know how anyone can fathom it being an easy thing to give up an opportunity to win another major. Totally ridiculous.


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i have to say u r right..
im VERY sure justine wants that AO as bad as anyone else...and she would have faught hard like she did in those QF and SF if she wants it..
its stupid to think she wanted to retire for something not serious...maybe she just couldnt play and thats it i guess...

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I think Nalby's retirement was for real not some excuse, he was not movin' well at all in the 3rd set.
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Personally I'm not a fan of retiring in any match but especially the latter stages of a grand slam. If the player has broke his ankle or something like that then of course they have to retire. But I think Justine should have finished the match, as I think Djokovic and Nalbandian should have finished as well. I don't know what their pains were but they should be a able to tough it out in my opinion. I don't question their desires to win but I do question there toughness some.

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if justine would have continued that match and win it(somehow), wouldnt some people be saying she used it as a time to break mauresmo's momentum or to slow things down...

man people just have something to say all the time

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The difference is that (1) Henin was in a grand slam final and (2) there was nothing apparently wrong with her. Djokovic fell in a previous game, obviously hurting his back. Think back to the earlier matches of Amelie at the AO. No one gave Kim Clijsters shit for retiring in the SF vs. Amelie...because she was in obvious stress and it was not the final. There was nothing preventing Justine from playing and finishing the match. She just didn't want to because she was going to lose.

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I think Nalby's retirement was for real not some excuse, he was not movin' well at all in the 3rd set.
Yes that's true. I saw the match. Too bad that they couldn't play until the end.
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The difference is that (1) Henin was in a grand slam final and (2) there was nothing apparently wrong with her. Djokovic fell in a previous game, obviously hurting his back. Think back to the earlier matches of Amelie at the AO. No one gave Kim Clijsters shit for retiring in the SF vs. Amelie...because she was in obvious stress and it was not the final. There was nothing preventing Justine from playing and finishing the match. She just didn't want to because she was going to lose.

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How do you know there was nothing preventing Justine from playing and finishing the match?

Again, the board knows you hate her, why post about her if you hate her?

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Just heard on the BBC that they are saying Nalbandian retired due to stomach problems!

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Listen, I like Justine a lot, she's one of my favorites, but it looks strange to have your ass handed to you on a plate in the first set and then the second set starts the same way, and then you retire. It looks like quitting.

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Justine's illness sure seemed to come upon her suddenly. Losing a break point can in the second set after losing the first can certainly do that sometimes.

BTW - Justine Fan - Nalbandian retired with an "abdominal strain" - while you may say this is a "stomach problem" I think there is a difference between simply having digestive issues and pulling a muscle. You're spinning the facts more than Conchita Martinez spins tennis balls.

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Justine's illness sure seemed to come upon her suddenly. Losing a break point can in the second set after losing the first can certainly do that sometimes.

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and that for one of the best fighters on tour? Give it a break

When you don't fool well, then you have every right to quit just to avoid to have more problems later on. This is not just sports, this is also a job for these players. They have to take care of themselves.

Playing when you're having problems, just for your opponent to have a decent victory (although would it be that nice to win when you obviously can see that your opponent is sick or injured) is plain stupid
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It was a Grand Slam final... your argument here has no leverage!
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It was a GS final, and it were like 12 more points.
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Sfselesfan... you just love to bash Justine don't you?

No wonder you are an irritating scum to us Justine fans here... so mind you, shut up and stop commenting about her anymore

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