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What's wrong with Venus Williams??

I just don't understand why it takes her so long to fix her game again..I mean,since her stomach injury at Varsaw in 2003 against Amé Momo...*sigh*...which turned more serious at the end of Wimbledon something relly changed..Dunno if the death or her sister affected her game too but at her comeback in the OZ2004,she started being unpredictable...She always struggles to pass first rounds and seems vulnerable against average players and ambitious youngsters...
I thought she resolved this issue at the latest Wimbledon but
no.I really thought the Venus2000 was back but her loss against Kim Clijsters really changed my mind..OK she was injured,but not only it was a little illness but also she knew how to come out of it in the past...

OK,she made a decent RG,not a significant win but it was pretty good consedering that she has played well only once at RG... But herloss against Nikki was kind of pathetic to me,sorry..

Do you think she will find her A+ game at London..People used to say that the real Venus only existed between Wimbly and the USOpen(these two included,for sure ). But on the other hand,tennis is getting more and more close and tied these latest times so...I'm confused. What do you think about that?
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She is on the way up, she has done really well at RG considering it was only her 4th tournament of the yr, clay never suits her game, it brings too many UE for her which is why she lost to Vaidisova but on grassshe wont be making those kinda of bad errors and she will be a strong threat for the title, there isint anything wrong she is just trying to find her range and i think she nearly has it

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She is on the way up, she has done really well at RG considering it was only her 4th tournament of the yr, clay never suits her game, it brings too many UE for her which is why she lost to Vaidisova but on grassshe wont be making those kinda of bad errors and she will be a strong threat for the title, there isint anything wrong she is just trying to find her range and i think she nearly has it
I hope you're right but her vulnerabilty in the first rounds is rather worrying. I mean her opponents might say to themself they can beat her on any surface...Less and less players are afraid of her now. And it's very important to be intimidating,it gives you a huge psychological advantage.Maybe Venus still benefit of this at Wimbledon but I'm not sure
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I hope you're right but her vulnerabilty in the first rounds is rather worrying. I mean her opponents might say to themself they can beat her on any surface...Less and less players are afraid of her now. And it's very important to be intimidating,it gives you a huge psychological advantage.Maybe Venus still benefit of this at Wimbledon but I'm not sure
I dont think she is gonna lose 1st round of Wimbledon anyway, if there is a place where she does instill some fear is Wimbledon on grass, unless she gets a top 40 player in the 1st round who plays super stuff i cant see it happening but she looks like she really wants to defend Wimbledon

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this is her third tournament back, what's wrong with you?!?

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this is her third tournament back, what's wrong with you?!?
Sorry but if you compare her to the belgian you will see that the fact that it's her third or Xth tourney doesn't really matter. PLUS,you should read much better,dude, I'm also refering to her 2004 season,so

I thought it was natural to concern about my favorite player,year you're right,there's something wrong with me...
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well..I really feel sorry for Venus myself...she really wanted to be back on the courts...but somehow everytime shes on a roll...something seems to happen...
Clay 2004 Ankle Roll
Summer 2004 WRIST..OMG...!!! that match against Lindsay...
2005...I thought that she would really come back...she sed (?)was fixing something and there were some issues y she couldnt really pla that much on red clay therefore she probably FORCEd herself on playing that Green Clay...
Wimbly 2005 pre/post...she was thinking too much, handling too much, she has too much burden on her shoulders especially by playing that Clay to Grass to Clay to Hardcourt...

And she still had those injuries and retiring from matches in Tokyo and Beijing...

And there is this thing about Venus, when shes positive and after having that first tournament... she usually goes on a roll...
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this is her third tournament back, what's wrong with you?!?
Anyway, the bar is set so much higher for Venus and Serena, everybody knows the high level of play they have within them and we always expect them to show it. That level is still there, but they just can't call on it at will the way they used to, the way we're used to seeing them do. It's frustrating for them and their fans. It just means that when they do get back to that level they'll work harder to stay there.

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Anyway, the bar is set so much higher for Venus and Serena, everybody knows the high level of play they have within them and we always expect them to show it. That level is still there, but they just can't call on it at will the way they used to, the way we're used to seeing them do. It's frustrating for them and their fans. It just means that when they do get back to that level they'll work harder to stay there.
Weirdly,I'm not worried at all about Serena..It's just Venus who drives me sick
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Yeah, I don't know. I was really disappointed after that match and loss lots of vcash too!

She just can't sustain highlevel play these days, especially against top players and as you say hungry, "nothing to lose" youngsters. Look at all her matches post Wimbledon and the pattern is there:

Kim Stanford F (brilliant save against Patty, collapse against Kim in next round)
Kim Open QF (on her racket, up a set and break, collapse final set)
Pironkova 1st round (brilliant first set, collapse second set)
Sveta German Open QF (brilliant save against Hingis, collapse next round)
Martina (brilliant first set bagel, collapse)
Vaidsova (brilliant first set save, collapse)

So sad. I hope her game clicks at Wimbledon, otherwise she'll lose lots of points.

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Weirdly,I'm not worried at all about Serena..It's just Venus who drives me sick
you need to cool it. quit worrying. Venus is working the kinks out. She was off for almost 3 months. Venus is trying to play a very high risk, forward-moving game and that takes a while to get to top form. She started her mini-comeback on clay, the hardest surface to be aggresive on. When you don't play for awhile, it takes time to trust yourself on the court again. She played three tournaments and made great strides in those events. Personally, I think that she did better than I thought she would in the first place. When you get to her level and play the high-quality players that she does, it takes time and failure to get better. Venus will work harder and harder to get back. Not to forget, Venus was trying to play grass court tennis on clay. She didn't back away from her gameplan to be aggresive and I commend her for that. If she doesn't try to stick to playing aggresive throughout a whole match, then it will never become easy for her in the long run. Once her mind figures itself out and she becomes completely confident, you will see a much more consistent and much more deadly Venus on the grass. Tennis is all about belief in yourself and confidence. Back in 2000-2001, Venus had rough patches. Remember 2000 clay court season after the lay-off? That was terrible tennis from Venus. Her mini-comeback in 2006 on the clay was much more promising and much better tennis from Venus. Venus will be completely back and dominating on the grass and the summer hardcourts. I promise you that.

btw, you should be worried about Serena. she hasn't been in shape for over a year now. her game and footspeed have been WAY off for a long time and we don't know her mindframe at the moment if she is tired of tennis or if she really wants to be on the courts. as much as I want to see Serena back on the courts, I don't want her playing because she feels that she has to. that is not a good way to go about business.
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Why couldn't Viadasova choke against Venus or Amelie? Why did she have to choke today? Venus just didn't play well this French Open she struggled in all the four matches she won. I just feel like her game is more suited for a faster surface balls that were flying out on clay would land in on a hard court. However, I do believe Venus needs to use her head more when on clay you've got to have patience like Svetlana had today. Svetlana just let Nicole self destruct and she did.
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you need to cool it. quit worrying. Venus is working the kinks out. She was off for almost 3 months. Venus is trying to play a very high risk, forward-moving game and that takes a while to get to top form. She started her mini-comeback on clay, the hardest surface to be aggresive on. When you don't play for awhile, it takes time to trust yourself on the court again. She played three tournaments and made great strides in those events. Personally, I think that she did better than I thought she would in the first place. When you get to her level and play the high-quality players that she does, it takes time and failure to get better. Venus will work harder and harder to get back. Not to forget, Venus was trying to play grass court tennis on clay. She didn't back away from her gameplan to be aggresive and I commend her for that. If she doesn't try to stick to playing aggresive throughout a whole match, then it will never become easy for her in the long run. Once her mind figures itself out and she becomes completely confident, you will see a much more consistent and much more deadly Venus on the grass. Tennis is all about belief in yourself and confidence. Back in 2000-2001, Venus had rough patches. Remember 2000 clay court season after the lay-off? That was terrible tennis from Venus. Her mini-comeback in 2006 on the clay was much more promising and much better tennis from Venus. Venus will be completely back and dominating on the grass and the summer hardcourts. I promise you that.

btw, you should be worried about Serena. she hasn't been in shape for over a year now. her game and footspeed have been WAY off for a long time and we don't know her mindframe at the moment if she is tired of tennis or if she really wants to be on the courts. as much as I want to see Serena back on the courts, I don't want her playing because she feels that she has to. that is not a good way to go about business.
Thank you so much for this detailled and complete explanation It's really good to read some positive stuffs like that about Venus. I really want to believe in what you're saying.

And,frankly Serena is Serena...If Hingis came back stronger,Serena can make it much bigger,no doubt about it
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Nothing wrong with her, game has just passed by her...

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Nothing wrong with her, game has just passed by her...
I respectfully disagree. This statement should not apply to the defending Wimbledon champion under any circumstances. She holds the most coveted title in tennis and you're insinuating she's washed up?!?!

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