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Comparing Hingis to Henin Hardeene...

I really want someone to explain to me why Hingis doesn't have the same level of power as Henin Hardeene....

My analysis of the game is that Henin Hardeene hits the ball extremely clean, and has great variety in her shots....but her shots dont have as much topspin, they're hit relatively flat when she's going for a winner etc.

However, I want to know why Hingis cant do this too. Martina hits the ball so loopy and with so much topspin all the time but she never just takes a big wack at the ball and flattens it out. Im not too sure why she doesn't work on this.....because it's something that I think she could do successfully....

Henin never had the power of the other girls, but in mid 2003 she decided that she needed to be able to strike the ball in that ''flat, hard'' way to win matches. And so she did it.

Hingis seems reluctant to change that bit of her game....I know that she has a greater margin for error when she hits the ball higher over the net....but if she mixed it up a little - hitting the ball flatter sometimes....I reckon it'd be more successful...yeh sure a few more errors, but with time, someone like Hingis could surely master the shot.

I dunno.....Henin just seems to have that extra bit of strength that Hingis doesn't have....they are both similar in height, weight, build etc. I just dunno why Henin seems so much stronger than Hingis?!?!?!?!?

Sorry if this seems like a stupid post, I just think that if Hingis could get that little bit more power from time to time, it would allow her to become elite again.

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Do you know that Justine Henin-Hardenne knew that for her to be at the top, she would have to be really strong? And the way she got strong, was have a very very tough training sessions in the gym day in day out for a long period of time. It was after all that weight training that she seriously started to produce big results.

Martina has never done vigorous weight training of that sort, though, I agree, sometimes when the ball is sitting up for her, she still puts some spin on the ball rather than whacking it like most would do. Although, sometimes when she does try to whack it, she loses some of the control.
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i agree Henin had more power.
But saying that Hingis hits the ball sloppy is just plain ignorance sorry.
There is more to playing tennis than hitting the ball flat and as hard as you can.
So far anyways.
Also that is all some women seem to do.
watch Mauresmo, Nadal, Federer and Hingis they do not his the ball sloppy.
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Hingis' game is not based on whacking the ball really hard --not based on power.

Her game centers around shot selection and placement.

It is yet to be decided who will wind up the most successful when the final chapter is written. So far, Justine has a long way to go to equal Martina's accomplishments. Martina's 209 weeks at number one are a lot more than what Justine has done in that realm, as are her accomplishment in doubles.`
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A combination of greater physical strength and much heavier topspin.
The topspin Henin creates is far more damaging to opponents...it is a much heavier ball to return. Hingis does use topspin, but it is not as violently produced.

Henin is able to hit a harder flat ball for sure...however it is the deep heavy topspin that allows her to get the short return that she then finishes off with a put away flat drive.

Same for Clijsters....

Compare the backhands of Hingis and Clijsters as an example to illustrate...Both have topspin two handed backhands, yet in a cross court exchange Clijsters is able to push Hingis well behind the baseline because of the heavier topspin and create sharper angles....then finish off with the flat drive.

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Side note: he said loopy, not sloppy.
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Justine also uses her body (read: legs) more. She throws herself at the ball...while Martina is a lot more wristy.

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It seems a bit late to change Hingis' game a lot now. But anyways, I think Hingis knows the way she's probably going to be most successful is to be different. She's going to give you a different ball each time, and throw in shots most people on tour don't know what to do with. Hingis does hit the ball flat now. Just look at her backhand down the line. That shot is quite powerful, especially when compared to the rest of her game. It's just that she won't consistently hit a flat, hard ball because she won't win that way. She wins by mixing things up and hitting VERY few unforced errors. I honestly can't see the advantage of trying to overpower opponents .

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i'd say henin has spent alot more time with weights than martina. henin is probably stronger than hingis. i find the henin/hingis comparisons interesting but i think kirilenko has a similar type of game, similar build (thin, not really short but you wouldn't say she's tall).

and i agree that justine throws her body into it more than hingis. when justine changed her serve she put a lot more leg power into it, and when she goes for a winner off the ground she throws her whole body into the shot. but i do think hingis in her current state can still be more effective on court, her main problem isn't that she can't hit with decent power, it's that she won't. she grew up playing the percentages that's what her game was all about, and unless she is willing to give up those percentages more often and take a bit more risk in her game i don't think she's going to be able win slams.

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It seems a bit late to change Hingis' game a lot now. But anyways, I think Hingis knows the way she's probably going to be most successful is to be different. She's going to give you a different ball each time, and throw in shots most people on tour don't know what to do with. Hingis does hit the ball flat now. Just look at her backhand down the line. That shot is quite powerful, especially when compared to the rest of her game. It's just that she won't consistently hit a flat, hard ball because she won't win that way. She wins by mixing things up and hitting VERY few unforced errors. I honestly can't see the advantage of trying to overpower opponents .
agree, there is no point in her trying to overpower opponents because when it comes to the top players she just can't. and she does hit flatter now but she still needs to do it more often than she is doing, needs to go for the first serve more as well, it's more effective when she goes for it, and that gives her a better chance to work her way up the court or to get the upper hand so she can weild her magic.

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Side note: he said loopy, not sloppy.
Thanks lovefifteen....I definitely said ''loopy'' and not ''sloppy''

Hingis's groundstrokes are anything BUT sloppy.

I tend to agree that Hingis does have MORE power than what she used to.....but i really think she needs to approach things a bit more like Henin did in 2003 to get the Grand Slams again...thats more the point Im trying to discuss.

I'm not talking about abandoning her game (which involves percentages and placement) all together, but just to add some strength to her shots from time to time - atleast in some of the points, so that she can get the advantage......I felt that against Clijsters, this would have sometimes been a good option to have.

And I actually believe Hingis COULD do this....she's just got to WANT to.

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Thanks lovefifteen....I definitely said ''loopy'' and not ''sloppy''

Hingis's groundstrokes are anything BUT sloppy.

I tend to agree that Hingis does have MORE power than what she used to.....but i really think she needs to approach things a bit more like Henin did in 2003 to get the Grand Slams again...thats more the point Im trying to discuss.

I'm not talking about abandoning her game (which involves percentages and placement) all together, but just to add some strength to her shots from time to time - atleast in some of the points, so that she can get the advantage......I felt that against Clijsters, this would have sometimes been a good option to have.

And I actually believe Hingis COULD do this....she's just got to WANT to.
Martina just didn't play like herself against Kim. She has been more powerful this year and serving better., but not at all in that match I am very excited to see how Martina does on the grass as she always seems to play well on faster surfaces>P
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Interesting discussion. I just want to throw a couple of disadvantages about Justine's power tennis. First, her shots are very demanding on her arm and shoulder muscles. Therefore, her kind of tennis often causes injuries including inflammations she suffered during Australian open. Second, lots of muscles are heavy and stiff, and therefore they may conflict with flexibility and quickness. Conclusion -- it is probably difficult for one player to have all: power, variety, few injuries, and speed.
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I recall in her last match against Dementieva , We saw a lot of power shots from Martina, she can definately hit hard if she wanted to but its out of her comfort zone and she tends to miss sometimes ..im a power hitter but I find it hard to slow down the ball n hit it on a slower pace..same with her I guess ..Its a totally different game
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Compare the backhands of Hingis and Clijsters as an example to illustrate...Both have topspin two handed backhands, yet in a cross court exchange Clijsters is able to push Hingis well behind the baseline because of the heavier topspin and create sharper angles....then finish off with the flat drive.
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1) hingis' backhand is much better than clijsters', and she wins most backhand exchanges

2) hingis' backhand is usually hit very flat
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