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1999 French Open Final, MARTINA!

As I was watching the highlights of the 1999 French Open final, I saw that Martina used an underhanded serve. It surprised everyone, the crowd, Steffi and even me. I didn't know you could do this, well I just thought no one ever would. But it was very well disguised. Martina won the point, and got booed. But it was so weird to see her do this.

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she got booed not because it was an underhadn serve.
she got booed because you must make sure to give your oppenent a reasonable amount of time to be ready for your serve.
she served this way because she knew that Steffi Graf was not read to receive her serve.
Changing the amount of time you take for your service preparation can surprise your oppenent and therefore not be ready for your serve.
usually professionally out professionally courtesy do not try to use this tactic.
Its bush league and will only be effective once.
Its just a sheap annoyance and tactic that you have to put up with if you are a player.
It certainly should not be expected from and opponent you have faced many tiimes and allways extended the same curtacy to, that is not serving before they are ready.
Quite unacceptable to do it at a critical junction on the worlds greatest stage.
Lippy spoiled brat Martina had a little bit of John Mcenroe in her.
(she used to say a lot of unflattering things about her opponent)
In her case I think it was a case of a wealthy sheltered(in some ways existence)
lack of life experiences (real life)
a very young and sheltered in some ways 16 year old (17 not sure)

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It's a game!
Tatics always come into play.

So long as it's a legal tatic
one should be ready for anything.
And one should not be knocked for
using them.

MC was the man!
Classic move!
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Ok, so if Pierce decides to serve 5 seconds before she usually does, it's "bush league" and unfair, because her opponent isn't used to it? By that shitty logic, if you hit your first couple forehands crosscourt, you should keep hitting them like that because your opponent is expecting them to go there. Bullshit. I wish more players used underhand serves.
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7 years ago...get over it!

The reasons she served that way is because the crowd had already turned against her, she was about to lose the match, and she was desperate...Steffi was ready and It's not illegal>P
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I can't believe you've never heard of that!

Anyway, Steffi reacted quite gracefully.

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I, for one, thought it was pretty neat.

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I honestly think Martina should have won that final if not for one really bad call. She raised the issue, but the umpire did not listen. An excellent teenager already playing the final of the only grand slam she has never won going even against the ethics of the sport just to get the officials to realize the truth, but was not listened to.

I am not a very avid Hingis fan. Nothing against Graf. Just being objective about this dragging, nagging case. The whole French crowd was just extremely unfair to Martina on that day. The match was hers to lose and she did.
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One point doesn't lose a tennis match except for the last one. That's the beauty of tennis. If she had kept her fucking head together she would have won the match.

People have had way worse calls, amateurs, professionals, every day, in every tournament in every grand slam, even in finals.

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so anyhoo... was she right about those calls?
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Yes, I believe so. The linesperson came down to the line and asked the umpire to come down herself. Based on that, there was definetly some question. I'm pretty sure Hingis was looking at a mark from across the net that would have had to be in for her to cross and lose her mind like that. Nonetheless, it was really an inconsequential point. She was well in the lead by this time and Graf was even looking a bit disheartened prior to the chaos. I thought Hingis had played a *beautiful* match -until that point-. Once again, it really was her match to lose...

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I actually think the French Open crowd look for someone to hate in a match. It didn't stop with Martina and it seems like they will boo anyone who questions anything. One minute Cheering for their favs when they're winning but booing when they're losing.

Martina should throw in an underhand serve at this year's FO. LOL, just to get everyone talking.

If Steffi wasn't ready isn't it up to the umpire to replay the point?

Who Umpired this match?

I've read many times that Michael Chang also used the underhand serve, but I don't think anyone said it was unsportsman like (I wasn't following tennis back then so correct me if i'm wrong)
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One point doesn't lose a tennis match except for the last one. That's the beauty of tennis. If she had kept her fucking head together she would have won the match.

People have had way worse calls, amateurs, professionals, every day, in every tournament in every grand slam, even in finals.


Yeah, right. This one coming from a Venus Williams fan. Note: renewed rivalry between MH and VW. It's something like 11-10 h2h in MH's favour.

Again, I am not a Hingis fan and I am not inclined to enter into a debate with any one on who's better - MH or VW. I like them both as they put some interest into tennis. Or I can say I like Serena better than Venus for that matter.

Peace, flyguydsl.
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Didn't Martina want to show the umpire she was looking at the wrong mark altogether?
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Michael Chang served underhand while cramping.
He served in a deliberate matter.
He did not speed it up and try to serve to Lendl while he was getting ready.
Michael chang was a class act and did not try to surprise Lendl in any way.
Lendl could see well ahead of time that Michael Chang was going to serve underhand.
there was no attempt on Changs part to surprise Lendl with a serve he did not see coming and had time to prepare for.
It was one of the most courageous performances in tennis of all timel.
no comparison.

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