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Kim Clijsters - A 12 month look

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Roland Garros       128 W Maria-Emilia SALERNI (ARG) 6-3 6-4   
Roland Garros        64 W Mariana DIAZ-OLIVA (ARG) 7-5 6-1   
Roland Garros        32 W Marta MARRERO (ESP) 6-2 6-2   
Roland Garros        16 W Henrieta NAGYOVA (SVK) 6-4 4-6 6-3   
Roland Garros        QF W Petra MANDULA (HUN) 6-1 6-3   
Roland Garros        SF W Justine HENIN (BEL) 2-6 7-5 6-3   
Roland Garros        FR L Jennifer CAPRIATI (USA) 6-1 4-6 10-12

's-Hertogenbosch     32 B   BYE  
's-Hertogenbosch     16 W Joannette KRUGER (RSA) 6-3 6-0   
's-Hertogenbosch     QF W Kristina BRANDI (USA) 6-3 6-4   
's-Hertogenbosch     SF W Jelena DOKIC (YUG) 6-4 6-2   
's-Hertogenbosch     FR L Justine HENIN (BEL) 4-6 6-3 3-6   

Wimbledon           128 W Giulia CASONI (ITA) 6-0 6-2   
Wimbledon            64 W Maureen DRAKE (CAN) 6-3 6-1   
Wimbledon            32 W Angeles MONTOLIO (ESP) 7-5 6-2   
Wimbledon            16 W Meghann SHAUGHNESSY (USA) 7-6(2) 7-6(5)   
Wimbledon            QF L Lindsay DAVENPORT (USA) 1-6 2-6   

Knokke-Heist (CL)    32 W Ludmila CERVANOVA (SVK) 6-3 6-4   
Knokke-Heist         16 W Virginia RUANO-PASCUAL (ESP) 6-2 6-3   
Knokke-Heist         QF W Magui SERNA (ESP) 6-1 4-6 6-3   
Knokke-Heist         SF L Iroda TULYAGANOVA (UZB) 0-6 4-6   

Stanford             32 B   BYE  
Stanford             16 W Cara BLACK (ZIM) 6-2 3-6 7-5   
Stanford             QF W Chanda RUBIN (USA) 6-3 6-1   
Stanford             SF W Meghann SHAUGHNESSY (USA) 6-3 2-6 6-1   
Stanford             FR W Lindsay DAVENPORT (USA) 6-4 6-7(5) 6-1   

San Diego            64 B   BYE  
San Diego            32 L Ai SUGIYAMA (JPN) 3-6 3-6   

Los Angeles          64 B   BYE  
Los Angeles          32 W Cara BLACK (ZIM) 4-6 6-3 6-1   
Los Angeles          16 W Alicia MOLIK (AUS) 7-6(3) 6-3   
Los Angeles          QF L Nathalie TAUZIAT (FRA) 4-6 2-6

New Haven            32 B   BYE  
New Haven            16 W Arantxa SANCHEZ-VICARIO (ESP) 6-1 6-4   
New Haven            QF W Nathalie TAUZIAT (FRA) 6-2 6-2   
New Haven            SF L Lindsay DAVENPORT (USA) Walkover  

U.S. Open           128 W Pavlina NOLA (NZL) 6-1 6-1   
U.S. Open            64 W Allison BRADSHAW (USA) 6-3 6-2   
U.S. Open            32 W Henrieta NAGYOVA (SVK) 6-3 7-5   
U.S. Open            16 W Elena DEMENTIEVA (RUS) 7-5 4-6 6-2   
U.S. Open            QF L Venus WILLIAMS (USA) 3-6 1-6   
     
Tokyo                32 B   BYE  
Tokyo                16 W Cara BLACK (ZIM) 6-0 6-3   
Tokyo                QF W Tamarine TANASUGARN (THA) 6-3 6-1   
Tokyo                SF L Jelena DOKIC (YUG) 5-7 4-6   

Leipzig (Carpet)     32 B   BYE  
Leipzig              16 W Francesca SCHIAVONE (ITA) 6-3 6-3   
Leipzig              QF W Silvia FARINA-ELIA (ITA) 6-1 2-6 6-4   
Leipzig              SF W Elena DEMENTIEVA (RUS) 6-1 3-6 6-1   
Leipzig              FR W Magdalena MALEEVA (BUL) 6-1 6-1   

Stuttgart            32 B   BYE  
Stuttgart            16 L Anke HUBER (GER) 3-6 6-4 3-6   

Luxembourg (HARD)    32 B   BYE  
Luxembourg           16 W Rita GRANDE (ITA) 6-3 6-2   
Luxembourg           QF W Anna KOURNIKOVA (RUS) 7-5 7-6(2)   
Luxembourg           SF W Amanda COETZER (RSA) 6-3 6-4   
Luxembourg           FR W Lisa RAYMOND (USA) 6-2 6-2   

TChampionships       16 W Elena DEMENTIEVA (RUS) 6-3 7-6(2)   
TChampionships       QF W Arantxa SANCHEZ-VICARIO (ESP) 7-5 6-1   
TChampionships       SF L Lindsay DAVENPORT (USA) 6-1 3-6 6-7(3)   

Sydney               32 B   BYE  
Sydney               16 W Silvia FARINA-ELIA (ITA) 6-7(4) 6-4 6-1   
Sydney               QF W Justine HENIN (BEL) 7-6(6) 6-2   
Sydney               SF L Martina HINGIS (SUI) 5-7 6-4 2-6   

Australian Open     128 W Christina WHEELER (AUS) 6-2 6-1   
Australian Open      64 W Barbara SCHWARTZ (AUT) 6-1 6-1   
Australian Open      32 W Cindy WATSON (AUS) 6-1 6-2   
Australian Open      16 W Janette HUSAROVA (SVK) 6-0 6-2   
Australian Open      QF W Justine HENIN (BEL) 6-2 6-3   
Australian Open      SF L Jennifer CAPRIATI (USA) 5-7 6-3 1-6   

Indian Wells        128 B   BYE  
Indian Wells         64 L Nathalie DECHY (FRA) 2-6 5-7   

Miami               128 B   BYE  
Miami                64 W Stephanie FORETZ (FRA) 6-2 6-3   
Miami                32 W Paola SUAREZ (ARG) 6-4 6-4   
Miami                16 W Cara BLACK (ZIM) 6-4 6-2   
Miami                QF L Monica SELES (USA) 6-4 3-6 3-6   

Hamburg              32 B   BYE  
Hamburg              16 W Barbara RITTNER (GER) 6-3 2-1 Retired  
Hamburg              QF W Barbara SCHETT (AUT) 6-4 6-2   
Hamburg              SF W Jelena DOKIC (YUG) 6-4 4-4 Retired  
Hamburg              FR W Venus WILLIAMS (USA) 1-6 6-3 6-4   

Berlin               64 B   BYE  
Berlin               32 L Anna SMASHNOVA (ISR) 7-5 4-6 5-7   

Rome                 64 B   BYE  
Rome                 32 W Elena LIKHOVTSEVA (RUS) 6-3 6-2   
Rome                 16 W Tatiana PANOVA (RUS) 6-3 6-7(6) 6-1   
Rome                 QF W Sandrine TESTUD (FRA) 6-1 6-3   
Rome                 SF L Justine HENIN (BEL) 5-7 2-6   


[Last Match Summary]

Roland Garros        FR L Jennifer CAPRIATI  (USA) 6-1 4-6 10-12
's-Hertogenbosch     FR L Justine HENIN      (BEL) 4-6 6-3 3-6   
Wimbledon            QF L Lindsay DAVENPORT  (USA) 1-6 2-6   
Knokke-Heist         SF L Iroda TULYAGANOVA  (UZB) 0-6 4-6
Stanford             CH W Lindsay DAVENPORT  (USA) 6-4 6-7(5) 6-1   
San Diego            32 L Ai SUGIYAMA        (JPN) 3-6 3-6
New Haven            SF L Lindsay DAVENPORT  (USA) Walkover  
U.S. Open            QF L Venus WILLIAMS     (USA) 3-6 1-6   
Tokyo                SF L Jelena DOKIC       (YUG) 5-7 4-6   
Leipzig              CH W Magdalena MALEEVA  (BUL) 6-1 6-1
Stuttgart            16 L Anke HUBER         (GER) 3-6 6-4 3-6
Luxembourg           CH W Lisa RAYMOND       (USA) 6-2 6-2
TChampionships       SF L Lindsay DAVENPORT  (USA) 6-1 3-6 6-7(3)   
Sydney               SF L Martina HINGIS     (SUI) 5-7 6-4 2-6   
Australian Open      SF L Jennifer CAPRIATI  (USA) 5-7 6-3 1-6   
Indian Wells         64 L Nathalie DECHY     (FRA) 2-6 5-7
Miami                QF L Monica SELES       (USA) 6-4 3-6 3-6   
Hamburg              CH W Venus WILLIAMS     (USA) 1-6 6-3 6-4   
Berlin               32 L Anna SMASHNOVA     (ISR) 7-5 4-6 5-7
Rome                 SF L Justine HENIN      (BEL) 5-7 2-6
* Too many 'Bad Losses'. She has too many of these. Seven FIVE in twenty tournaments. It shows a lack of consistentcy. I know injuries have been a problem, but the results speak for themselves.

* Only two wins in the past twelve months over players ranked ahead of her. She lost her first match the next week both times.

* There's virtually no variation by surface. Her wins are on clay and hard courts. Her worst losses were on the same sufaces the following weeks.

* The odds don't favor Kim at RG this year. I know she made the finals and played beautifully last year. That doesn't change the fact that her draw was a cakewalk. And one third of the tournaments she loses to players she 'shouldn't'. Of course, she's the youngest player in the top ten.

* I hate to say the win over Venus wasn't a breakthrough, but it's the same as beating Lindsay at Stanford last summer. Losing your very next match kind of takes the air out of the balloon.

* Four tournament wins, tied for third on he tour.

Definition of 'Bad Loss' - For Kim is a loss to anyone not named Williams, Capriati, Davenport, Hingis, Henin, Seles or Dokic. Rememeber, the focus is onthe past 12 months.

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why are her final wins in luxembourg and leipzig red?
Kimmy had an impressive year for sure

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Yes, last year, her draw was easy as shit.

But was Hamburg, and with practically a hand tied behind her back?! Ha! Never doubt the Limburg girl






... Sorry, I am not finished. Iroda Tulyaganova is on her way to the top. One has to beat the top players to get to the top. She is about seed 14 at Roland Garros (according to GoGo Girl). Losing to her is an honor...

Ai Sugiyama is Kim's doubles partner, Kim always loses to her doubles partners. But not recently.

Nathalie Déchy, Kim had had like a month + without matchplay.

Anna Smashnova - see Iroda Tulyaganova


In the first place, Kim never was a clay courter? Why people expect so much from her on this surface? I don't know, BUT, after Hamburg, I understand that that is the way women's tennis is right now. That is why the Latina women aren't dominating as the men do, because it's anyone's game right now.

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Kimmy's road to the french final was very impressive, 1 year ago this week a lot of people were claiming that she should not play the french because clay would be nothing for her, she sucked, she was bad and I don't know what more she was, then she won 6 matches in a row and no matter if she beat no topplayer it's impressive period
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Mrs_Guga - Kim is a top five player. I'm holding her to the same standards as I do Serena and Venus. She should not lose to anyone outside the current top ten. She's too talented. Frankly, she shouldn't lose to Sandrine. I know there are reasons. But those reasons are why Kim is #4, not #2.

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Well, hmm, I was about to come in here to say thanks for posting that until I realised it was started to *almost* bash Kim Well anyway I don't think it's safe to assume Kim won't do well in RG for any reason at all. She has to be one of the favorites no matter which way you look at it. And I'm sick of hearing about her easy draw... even though she had an easy draw she still took Jen to 10-12 in the final set...

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angele87 - I am NOT bashing Kim. My expectations for her are VERY high. She's not just another top ten player.

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Omigod, how many times has Venus played not to the standards of her ranking! She is the most fickle thing! But my friend, you must look at it this way:

1. Jennifer Capriati
2. Venus Williams
3. Serena Williams

...and from that point on .4 ranking to wherever your will stops it, it is a whole new cat fight. No matter who is in the top 5, those girls in the top 3 are really the only girls who can beat ANYONE on a consistent basis except the company they keep... Kim, despite her ranking, is on the same level as the other girls, she has just been more consistent than the rest in the top 10. But then what does that say about them and about Kim, how she is no. 4 and they are not, no matter who she loses to, she is somehow better than them by statistic!

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Mrs. Guga - Almost every Venus loss is a bad loss. Losses to Monica and Kim ar acceptable. The Schett loss last year.... well, I wonder if maybe Venus was a little overconfident. And got her head handed to her.

And while the top three may have an edge on others, the red clay is a leveler. There will be about twelve players at RG who've won a Tier I on clay. Well, not a dozen. But Capriati, Williams, Williams, Dokic, Henin, Mauresmo, Majoli, Pierce, ASV, Conchi... that's a lot of players who you have to worry about if they have a good day.

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The problem for Kim is that a lot of people judge her by the standard we all know she'll achieve before she's even got it.

I don't think you should look at it like she's having bad losses - her level of consistency is probably something that will come in time. Also, I think she's gaining experience still.

Perhaps a more positive way of looking at it is that this year she has consistently pushed the top players to three sets culminating in a victory over arguably the best player on the tour.

We all know that Venus doesn't lose very often at all, especially against people she knows are threats, so Kim must have done something extra special to get past her. I think that's a big step and if you note that she beat Lindsay and then only lost to her in a third set tie-breaker the next time they played, you have to think that she's getting closer and closer to posting regular wins over them.

She is definitely someone to watch out for in Paris and I wouldn't be surprised at all if she did very well there again, irrespective of who she draws.
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Kim is where Venus was in 1998. We all know what happened in 2000.
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That is a beautiful thing to say Volcana! I hope so! Who knows what 2 years later beholds, I hope beautiful things for us Kimaniacs

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I thought Leipzig was on a fast fast fast carpet surface, and that luxembourg was indoor but non hardcourt?
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